Re: DOCTYPE centers everything

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From: Thomas A. Rowe (tarowe_at_mvps.org)
Date: 06/29/04 

Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:59:55 -0400

I have to disagree, as I find it faster and easier to build sites with tables then to use CSS for
any type of positioning or worry about DOC TYPEs.

The only folks that care about DOC TYPEs, W3C Recommendations, are web developers or developers that
must following government agencies requirements.

Using CSS is just another choice of how to design a web site, it is not a requirement or a standard,
it is just a choice, a tool so to speak, that each developer has.

More importantly, site visitors don't care about DOC TYPEs, W3C Recommendations, they only care if
the site displays correctly in the browser they are using, and that the site has the information or
product they are looking for, otherwise they just move on to another site. 

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"Jon Spivey" <jons@mvps.org> wrote in message news:eV6o%23neXEHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> That misses the point of validation Kevin. The point of W3C compliance, ie
> "standards" is to use HTML for it's intended purpose - structuring your page
> and then using CSS to make it look it pretty. As opposed to things like
> tables nested 5 deep transaprent gif and all that nasty stuff we all grew up
> with. . From the designers point of view building pages "properly"  means
> you can do twice the work in half the time - a very worthwhile goal to my
> mind :-)  I don't understand why anyone sticks to the old way of doing
> things.
>
> If you mean by validation getting zero errors so you can put the Valid HTML
> logo on your page then I'd agree that's a waste of time. Who's going to be
> impressed by that logo anyway? More importantly is having it going to make
> more sales on your site - I doubt it :-) I use the validator in the same way
> as a spell checker - you write an email spell check it the spell checker
> throws up a couple of misspelled words - you say thank you very much I didnt
> notice them and correct them. Then it throws up a word that you meant to
> spell worng, or that you knew wasn't in the dictionary - you ignore the
> error because you know you're right. Steve's point about colored scrollbars
> is a good one - so what if they don't validate you want to use them, you
> know they work and won't cause any ill-effects in other browsers so you use
> them. The point of validation is to use it to help you - not to tell you
> what to do :-)
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Jon
> Microsoft MVP - FP
>
> "Kevin Spencer" <kspencer@takempis.com> wrote in message
> news:#oEdnPdXEHA.3596@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Making your web site W3C-compliant is an exercise in futility. Making your
> > web site successful is a much better approach. Rather than trying to
> satisfy
> > some software that checks for W3C-correctness, try satisfying your target
> > audience.
> >
> > --
> > HTH,
> > Kevin Spencer
> > .Net Developer
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Big things are made up
> > of lots of little things.
> >
> > "W3C newbie" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:226c401c45d64$34fb6560$a301280a@phx.gbl...
> > > This is more of an html question than Front Page. My pages
> > > have had <html > without a doc type all along.
> > > I want to make the site W3C compliant and so put in this:
> > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01
> > > Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd"
> > > ><html lang="EN-US" >
> > >
> > > Everything that is not specifically justified now comes up
> > > centered rather than left justified.  This includes the
> > > content in a javascript pull down menu.
> > >
> > > What the heck...
> >
> >
>
>

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