Re: Future of VFP (yet again)

It sounds quite interesting. I might pitch in my $.02 about web based
systems. I'm currently working on a large VFP app that was converted from
FPW that is now being converted to dot net. It runs on thousands of
workstations at hundreds of sites across the country, the UK, and in Mexico.
Several years ago they tried to convert it to a web based app, java on the
front end, oracle at the back. It failed miserably and cost the company
millions of dollars. The reason it failed? Performance. You just can't have
a snappy interactive database intensive app running in a browser with a
central database a thousand miles away. The old FoxPro app was lightning
fast, the new app was dog slow, and the users refused to use it. If they had
never seen the FoxPro app, they would have been as happy as can be with the
new dog slow interface.

"tony miller" <tony_becky_mikey@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:C%Rjf.2558$w74.952@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Limits are, 1 processor only, 4 gig memory limit, no java support like
> normal Oracle has (can't compile java in the database).. But, you can
> offer up a pretty good small application, on a small network, with a web
> front end and not have to deal with installing the web software.. The
> install for Oracle 10 XE installs all that!!
>
> You can start using the gui interface to create your new schema an HTML-DB
> application right through the browser!!!
>
> (Right now it is in Beta.. Small issues with the product are being worked
> out, but when it is released next year, it will be free!! with the
> development environment bundled with it!!
>
> I will say it again, for those who think I am being Ant-Fox here.. It has
> its place, but when everyone seems to be wanting a browser based
> application, and the tools are heading farther in that directions, why
> would you stay in the desktop environment?
>
> Change is inevitable, either go with it or work against it.. In a year or
> three I maybe working in .net or php, who knows.. I know that I will
> continue to learn and develop..
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Matthew L Reed" <nousenetspam at dead ice dot us> wrote in message
> news:e337LBp9FHA.2364@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Have you used 10XE? Does it have any performance or concurrent connection
>> limits? And is it as DBA intensive as higher end Oracle DBs? One reason
>> we don't use Oracle is that we don't want to hire a bunch of DBAs. We can
>> use MSSQL server with a fraction of the DBAs that the same Oracle DBs
>> take.
>>
>> "tony miller" <tony_becky_mikey@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:_%ujf.2088$w74.764@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Folks,
>>> I am gonna jump in here with teh tool that we have looked at and are
>>> using at this time.. It is an Oracle product, so all the microsofties
>>> can leave now...
>>>
>>> kay, they leaft.. It is call HTML-DB.. The product RUNS in the
>>> database!! It provides an very nice development enviroment and rather
>>> tight application for browser based applications..
>>>
>>> Yes, you ned either a copy of Oracle 9i R3 or 10g, or... YOu can get the
>>> latest version of Oracle 10 XE, for FREE!!
>>>
>>> So the cost factor for "Mom & Pop" shops to run Oracle applications just
>>> went down..
>>>
>>>
>>> "Brett Wickard" <brettwickard@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:eA3LeCF9FHA.4084@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>I totally agree. I hated .NET when I first started with it, but after
>>>>using it for awhile, I think it is a way more productive tool and
>>>>starting with the new VS2005 it's more productive IMO than VFP even for
>>>>desktop database apps. Has anybody who started with FP/VFP/etc. and
>>>>subsequently used .NET extensively (i.e. at least two decent sized
>>>>projects) still think that VFP is the best tool for a lot of db apps? I
>>>>used to, but no longer.... It's still a fine tool, and I still
>>>>upgrade/add-on to current projects, but .NET 2.0 (VS2005) is really
>>>>killer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "gerry" <germ@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:eLhLFhE9FHA.1148@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>I used to think the same way, until I actually dug in and started doing
>>>>>some
>>>>> serious .net development.
>>>>> I can't honestly think of anything significant that could be done in
>>>>> 25%
>>>>> less time using VFP than using .NET.
>>>>> In fact I would say it is much more than 25% skewed in the opposite
>>>>> direction.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Matthew L Reed" <nousenetspam at dead ice dot us> wrote in message
>>>>> news:udXUY3D9FHA.3416@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "gerry" <germ@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uHkZTy58FHA.3880@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> > "Matthew Reed" <matty don't send me any freaking spam at zootal dot
>>>>>> > com
>>>>>> > remove the don't send me any freaking spam> wrote in message
>>>>>> > news:%23pN2Ier8FHA.3200@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> > <...>
>>>>>> >> What I have not yet
>>>>>> >> figured out is what the small mom and pop shop is going to use
>>>>>> >> when VFP
>>>>>> >> is
>>>>>> >> gone? Why spend several times as much money to do something in dot
>>>>>> >> net
>>>>>> > when
>>>>>> >> you can do it for a fraction of the cost in VFP? On the one hand,
>>>>>> >> I can
>>>>>> >> undercut a dot net system with a VFP system easily provided the
>>>>>> > requirements
>>>>>> >> of the system can be met with VFP.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Its pretty hard to undercut the price of Visual Studio 2005 Express
>>>>>> > +
>>>>> SQL
>>>>>> > Server 2005 Express - they're free !
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We aren't talking about the price of the development tool, we are
>>>>>> talking
>>>>>> about the cost of develoment. If I can do something in VFP 25% faster
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> in Visual Studio 2005 Express + SQL Server 2005 Express, then it
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> matter whether or not it is free. The cost of the development tool is
>>>>> seldom
>>>>>> an issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, look it at this way. Get a free tool, pay $35,000 for your app to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> devloped. Pay $650 (or so) for VFP, pay $25,000 for your app to be
>>>>> devloped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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