Re: to Ken Halter and the other dedicated VB MVPs

From: alpine (alpine_don'tsendspam_at_mvps.org)
Date: 01/19/05 

Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:22:45 -0700

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:14:43 -0800, "Ken Halter"
<Ken_Halter@Use_Sparingly_Hotmail.com> wrote:

>"smith" <rcsTAKEOUT@smithvoiceTAKEOUT.com> wrote in message
>news:JpdHd.1360$Ju1.292@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> The intense off-topic VB6/VB.Net thread "Where is the Key in Treeview.Net"
>> (started Dec 2 2004 and cross-posted to every VB group under the sun)
>> really got me to thinking.
>>
>> And that thinking got me to typing this:
>>
>> http://www.smithvoice.com/C1swf.htm
>>
>
>"With .Net VB got what most everyone said that they wanted"
>
>All I have to say is.... I can't recall anyone saying that they wanted to
>re-write every stinking app they have just so they can say "it's running in
>.Net". Can't recall anyone saying that control arrays were inconvenient so
>get rid of them. Can't recall anyone saying that Tree/ListViews are too
>convenient so lets muck them up by removing the Key.
>
>Like I've said 10 dozen times now, the company I work for has code that's
>been running great for *years*. To re-write that would be suicide. We'd have
>to pay our test engineers plus the 3rd party test engineers plus months and
>months of documentation changes plus redistribute everything to our
>customers (and explain why everything takes longer now) and convince them
>that.... no, there are no changes, we just re-wrote "the world" so we could
>say we're using .Net...
>
>Then, no doubt, a couple of years from now, when .Next comes out, start over
>from scratch again. That's just plain silly.
>
>"1) RAD. High level object interfaces with the ability to get finer and
>deeper control if you want it"
>
>There is nothing more "RAD" than VB5/6. Control Array support alone almost
>makes that statement true by itself.
>
>"What of C#? To me, it's little more than a marketing trick"
>
>Actually, B#'s the marketting trick. MS doesn't use B# for anything
>internally. All 3rd party vendors that claim "written entirely in .Net" have
>a "using C#" tag somewhere on the same page... zero 3rd party vendors admit
>to even touching B#.
>
>No one at MS wants to admit to using VB(insert version here) for anything at
>all... nothing has changed since B#'s release.

Yeah, it is clear that Robert doesn't get it.

*It* is about trust and the fact that we can no longer trust MS to
consider the value of existing source code assets when creating the
next release of any language that they have not invested any of their
own source code assets in. It really is that simple.

I don't see the "VB core" _ever_ "getting with the program" given this
lack of trust in MS.

HTH,
Bryan
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New Vision Software "When the going gets weird,"
Bryan Stafford "the weird turn pro."
alpine_don'tsendspam@mvps.org Hunter S. Thompson -
Microsoft MVP-Visual Basic Fear and Loathing in LasVegas
____________________________________________________________
New Vision Software "When the going gets weird,"
Bryan Stafford "the weird turn pro."
alpine_don'tsendspam@mvps.org Hunter S. Thompson -
Microsoft MVP-Visual Basic Fear and Loathing in LasVegas

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