Re: VB.net for schools

From: john andrew (johnandrew_at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 11/24/04 

Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:49:10 -0800

"Cor Ligthert" wrote:

> John,
>
> Because it is possible to use in VBNet OOP (while all Net classes are OOP)
> has it much more consistency and is in my opinion easier to learn.
>
> When you know the tricks of OOP you can make everything in that way and in
> that style what makes it in my opinion more portable.
>
> VB classic is in my opinion more a language from what was a connection
> between the programmer and the enduser, what went with every version more
> and more going to the programmer.
>
> VNNet has in my opinion brokken with that, although I understand that
> Microsoft trys to bring parts from it in the new version again more back to
> that old in between situation. You understand it, I find that a pity.
>
> Just my thought,
>
> Cor
>
> "john andrew" <johnandrew@discussions.microsoft.com>
> >
> > --
> > hello
> >
> > I used to teach VB6 at schools, adult colleges a few years ago. Having
> > seen
> > a bit of VB.net I am a little shocked to say the least. The idea of
> > teaching
> > VB.net to beginners is way harder than VB6 and VB6 was a challenge.
> >
> > The whole look and feel is more difficult...OK for me but I would go broke
> > as a teacher if I had to teach VB.net. As the most popular programming
> > language around why has MS made something easy to do now more complicated
> > in
> > the name of progress? This looks like a university research project being
> > let
> > out too early. Trying to please everyone in other languages has made VB
> > less
> > accessable to the public and with faster computers around I cant see how
> > this
> > is better.
> > I tried finding help for a simple textbox on the help index and it was
> > absurdly difficult.
> >
> > I am speaking from an education pont of view as I myself can pick this up.
> >
>
>
>

I can handle VB.net personally because of my background. From a business
perspective VB.net is a hard sell and you can argue that point. The problem
with VB.net is that people want to do jobs...no one cares about OO. C++ and
Java are OO.....why arent they as popular as VB. I expect to see a
streamlining of VB.net in future editions.The university I went to ...which
is very credible didnt like VB.net and still teach vb6. Also why is there
busy VB6 msgboards....because people like to do tasks not OO. Another school
I was at today told me they didnt like VB.net either.

Reading about the .net ambition as I understand was that MS was scared of
Linux or any other competing OS. I like Linux but it is so user-unfriendly it
isnt worth losing sleep over and I cant see the world buying Mac's either. I
was a teacher and I reckon I have a good grasp of peoles tastes in OS. MS
tried to please everyone with portable code (like Java.....and that didnt
really take off) and incorporate every language. Why so desperate a move? too
many young programmers need to prove themselves too quickly?OO has been
around a while.

 As for someone who used to teach VB6 and found students struggled
enough....VB.net is something I cant take seriously as a business proposition
and the online help is really Awful, I just want a basic example of how to
use some code not a library of OO theory . No way could I feel confident in
pointing a student to use it and understand it.

I will get into it and do VB.net over time and I am sure I will enjoy it.
Sorry if I offended anyone as this is such a great resource with a load of
great replies.

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