Re: VS2005 NOT Compatiblke with Vista? Are you serious?!

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Just a test - I have replied twice to this thread (via Microsoft Communities newsgroup servers and Windows Mail on a Vista Ultimate PC running Windows 2007) and have not seen the replies posted - nor have I seen any rejections or errors when posting.

I wonder if there is a thread limit or something that I am not aware of...... I'd hate to think I'm being censored by Microsoft. Come on....I'm not *that* important.



"RobinS" <RobinS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:dfCdnRY2F7MEQV7YnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"Jim Hubbard" <jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:CBAD44AC-5138-406D-931A-83833D193046@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The Mac situation really does suck - thats why there are so few Mac users (<3% of all computer users).

Well, I think Macs are kind of cool, but I wouldn't buy one because there are so few jobs writing software for them. :-) That's just economics to me.

I guess I look at things from the user's standpoint rather than the company standpoint because I figure that what is good for the users (and within reason) is also good for the company. Refusing to support VS2003 on Vista when you had agreed to do so previously is niether good for the customer or the company.

I agree with that. I'm surprised by their decision to do that. They ported VS6 and VS8, how much more work could it be to port VS7?

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MS does what they want because they're the only game in town.
Microsoft basically has no boundaries. There is nobody ready to eat their lunch if they screw up. So there is a tendency (which is also human nature btw) to get away with as much as you can.

I think the quote is "It's easier to beg forgiveness than it is to ask permission."

Scrap Vista and start from scratch

There's no way they could afford to do that. And there's a lot with XP that worked just fine. Mine only BSOD'd on me once in 3 years. It's always better to fix what you have than it is to scrap it and start over. Joel Spolsky (http://joelonsoftware.com) talks about this in his book, how doing that was the end of Netscape. It took too long to start from scratch, and in the ensuing years, MS took over the browser market. (Great book, by the way, very very entertaining, and *not* a pro-MS book, although he used to work for MS.)

instead of putting out a warmed over UI change like Vista.

I think Vista looks pretty cool, and it's not just the UI that changed, but that is what sells things to many customers. Do you think Apple would sell as many iPod Nanos if they weren't so cute? I mean, for another $50 you can have a 30GB iPod, what's the point?

they would be giving people ample warning that a major OS shift was coming that would require new applications (or at least a virtual PC app to run XP and thier old apps).

They did give people ample time. Apparently anything that was refactored to be "Windows XP Certified" works under Vista without any major changes. Some people did not want to spend the money to upgrade their apps to work with XP if they could get their software to work within the confines, and now their software won't work with Vista. (Example A: Intuit's QuickBooks). It took MS 5 years to develop Vista, and they've been working with customers on compatability for a couple of years now. How much frickin' notice do people need?

Microsoft's goal is to maximize revenue, not serve its customers.

Duh. Welcome to the corporate world. The purpose of any public corporation is to make money for its shareholders. Period. Usually serving the customers better aids them in that process. I think Vista and Office 2007 will do that. They are fairly impressive-looking, and after people get over the shock, they will like it better than any version they have used before.

I would point out that the developers are not MS's customers, the large corporations are. However, they will not succeed as well w/o our cooperation, and they know it, because developers help drive the business.

I would encourage you to dscard McAfee and try NOD32 (www.eset.com). It has a smaller footprint, scans faster and scored better than any other protection application (including Norton, McAfee and Trend Micro) in independent testing by Virus Bulletin (http://www.virusbtn.com/index).

I'll check it out; I definitely need to do something different. I want something that will scan my e-mail, and let me scan my drives when I want to. I don't want something (McAfee and Norton) that scans every single document every time I open it. I turned ActiveScanning off, and McAfee puts up messages about how my system isn't protected every time I reboot, or standby and come back. It's really, really annoying. But when I open a solution with 80 classes and a bunch of forms, I don't need all of them to be virus-scanned. I *know* where they've been. ;-)

So will this product you've recommended plug into Outlook and scan my e-mails? Does it do active scanning? I appreciate the information. I've about had it with the big ones.

Thanks,
Robin S.
Ts'i mahnu uterna ot twan ot geifur hingts uto.



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