Re: Is "Whidbey" going to de-skill developers ?

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From: Michael C (me_at_mine.com)
Date: 01/20/05 

Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:30:27 -0500

"Is this not an isolated case?"

For all I know it might be the general rule as opposed to the exception...
I haven't personally out-sourced to a large enough sample of Indian firms to
perform a valid statistical analysis of any sort.

"I'm sure there are very good companies in India with engineers who produce
above par code. It happens in the US too. You get what you pay for."

You may have noticed that I didn't address every company in India or all
engineers in India. I speak of one particular incident, with one particular
company. In this instance the company is getting screwed out of $$$ for
below-par, re-cycled, freely available code.

But as someone else pointed out, I suppose since they're outsourcing to
India, they're getting screwed out of 30%-60% less, right?

LOFL.

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"Alvin Bruney [MVP]" <vapor at steaming post office> wrote in message
news:u78HVrv$EHA.3836@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Is this not an isolated case? I'm sure there are very good companies in
> India with engineers who produce above par code. It happens in the US too.
> You get what you pay for.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Alvin Bruney
>
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> "Michael C#" <xyz@abcdef.com> wrote in message
> news:LoDHd.208$2s1.152@fe08.lga...
> > The company I work for contracts out to a company in India, and you can
> > see the absolute truth in the Hemmingway statement. For all their
> > programming prowess, two of us over here spend 40% of our time
de-bugging
> > and effectively re-writing the code they send us. And 80% of the code
> > they send is swiped off programming Websites I frequently visit.
> >
> > I find it hilarious that this company is paying for code they could just
> > as easily download for free, and then paying us a salary to debug it for
> > them.
> >
> > Now *that's* marketing!
> >
> > "Nick Malik [Microsoft]" <nickmalik@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:t0mBd.732290$mD.54284@attbi_s02...
> >>> Anyone can learn English.
> >>>
> >>> Very few people are Hemmingway.
> >>>
> >>
> >> So which are you? An average learner of English, or a budding
> >> Hemmingway?
> >>
> >> Are you afraid that you aren't up to the task?
> >>
> >> There are a billion people in China, and a billion more in India.
Their
> >> schools teach math and engineering and science. They are graduating
more
> >> computer science graduates in individual states and provinces of those
> >> nations than we graduate in the US, nationwide. Every year. And our
> >> numbers are falling.
> >>
> >> And they work for 30-60% less than we do.
> >>
> >> If you don't love this stuff, if you don't "eat, drink, and sleep this
> >> stuff," you are going to have to compete with the advancing army of
> >> intelligent, well educated, very competitive, hard working, young, and
> >> brave
> >> software engineers pouring out of these markets.
> >>
> >> You have two choices: seek higher ground, or get swept away. Get
better,
> >> or
> >> quit now.
> >>
> >> To avoid the issue is about as effective as turning your back on an
> >> approaching hurricane.
> >>
> >> --
> >> --- Nick Malik [Microsoft]
> >> MCSD, CFPS, Certified Scrummaster
> >> http://blogs.msdn.com/nickmalik
> >>
> >> Disclaimer: Opinions expressed in this forum are my own, and not
> >> representative of my employer.
> >> I do not answer questions on behalf of my employer. I'm just a
> >> programmer helping programmers.
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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