Re: new to c# but not to programming
From: Mark Broadbent (nospam_at_nospam.com)
Date: 11/19/04
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:48:33 -0000
np m8.
Would I recommend getting certified?
Well it will not necessarily get you a job, but it will certainly help get
interviews. You may still find that once in the interviews you still get the
same "well we need someone who has done X for 2 years and Y for 3 years etc"
but there is no way around that apart from convincing them you are the man.
Forgetting that though, the main reason I have done the mcad (and mcsd
before years out possibly) is because :-
1. I have touched certain things that I would not have done so otherwise
(unless I was in a job that had that particular business requirement) -one
such example is Remoting
2. I wanted to have that bit of paper (for reasons detailed in first para)
3. It encouraged me to learn C# in a more detailed manner than I would
normally have done
4. I have learnt (pretty well) most OOP concepts.
I am also finding that there are an awful lot of languages now that
previously I would have struggled with but now I can pretty much take in
what I am reading -for instance Javascript was conceptually a bit of problem
before - but now I can see certain things and think "well that's not quite
OOP" or "thats a bit different -but could be quite useful (e.g. functions as
objects)" and the information sticks.
Exams and books will cost you money but do one at a time (and take them ONLY
when you are ready).
If you do that, I would personally encourage you to get to the MCAD without
doing the ASP.net route (go winforms) because asp.net is a bit off centre to
pure OOP client/ server programming.
I'm now doing my Web asp.net exam next (glad I've left it to now for the
above reason) and then after that only got the final Solution Architectures
exam.
The programming based certs are very similar in format to the other MCPs - I
bought a good book for each exam and got the Transcender MCSD PAK (yes more
money I know!). You could probably find sample questions on the net. Using
datasets and ADO.net feature quite heavily on most of the development exams.
Don't be intimidated by them -cos they are attainable if you want them.
-- Best Regards, Mark Mark Broadbent mcad,mcdba,mcse+i emailto: newsgroupsATmettayyaDOTgotadslDOTcoDOTuk remove AT with '@' and DOT with '.' -please do not send spam or address will be changed! "tjones" <tjones@nospam.com> wrote in message news:OGsnNCnzEHA.1188@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > Hi Mark, thanks so much for your response. I really appreciate it. I was > away and just got home and found a heap of responses. Just here to say > thanks. > >> Hi tjones, your background sounds a bit like me, although rather than >> Java and C++ I used perhaps less "indemand" languages VB, Pascal etc. >> I've been really looking for the ideal C# job for around six months now >> and I must say that I have become quite frustrated with development >> employers. They generally seem very blinkered in what they want - not >> employing for potential but for an *exact* fit. > > I am finding this to be the same situation here in Australia. It does get > rather frustrating. They want you to come into the job with the perfect > skill set. They tend to shy away from people who are adaptable. > >> Having read through your skill set, I thing you would stand quite a good >> chance of landing something as you have a lot of key things going for you >> that the industry is looking for ...more namely C++, Java, an Msc >> (hopefully). The two other things that seem to be currently missing on >> your list is C# and Oracle -so these would possibly be your areas of >> study. > > Oracle.. tell me about it. The number of Oracle jobs around here is huge. > I have worked a lot on mssql, but industry is heading towards Oracle im > finding. > >> You ask whether C# is now more popular than VB. Well I guess that is open >> to debate (but I think yes-certainly for new programmers). If the >> question is "is C# a better language than VB" then my opinion is also yes >> (he gets ready for the onslaught from VB programmers). I think it is a >> far cleaner language and helps promote a good OOP thinking and design. >> And yes C# has much in common with Java and C++ (closer to Java perhaps), >> the great thing was that they had a clean slate to start from wheras >> VB.net designers didn't. > > I think I'll head towards C# due to its commonality with C++ and Java. > There are a lot of .NET jobs here in Australia, aswell as Java positions. > Most of the C++ are either academic positions, or more scientifically > oriented positions. I heard rumour that ADA will be integrated into VS. > That will be fantastic. I've written a fair bit of code on ADA. It has > beautiful threading capabilities as compared to Java. I'll persist and > look for that programming job. Thanks so much for your insight. > > Would you recommend getting certified in mcad etc? I have a few network > related certs like msce+i, mcdba, ccnp, oca (like yourself) however I dont > want to waste my money on something if it wont be of any value. Within the > programming community, is a certification becoming a requirement? I don't > know much about programming based certs. > > Thanks again! > Cheers, > tjones >
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