Re: new to c# but not to programming
From: clintonG (csgallagher_at_REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com)
Date: 11/11/04
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:21:15 -0600
It never ceases to amaze me to observe how seemingly intelligent
people fail to understand that working as an employee is only a
stop gap measure that in very rare exceptions has led to any
acquisition of wealth and without question has very little benefit
with regard to obtaining healthcare, savings, acquisiton of the finer
things in life and so on.
Any remaining opportunities are there for the taking and will
continue to be there for the taking for those who develop and sell
their own product(s) and service(s).
--
<%= Clinton Gallagher, "Twice the Results -- Half the Cost"
Architectural & e-Business Consulting -- Software Development
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"Mark Broadbent" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Hi bonj.
> Im in UK too and you are bang on the money with what you say about
ASP.NET.
> I completely forgot about that. It does seem that the vast majority of
> C#/.NET jobs are for ASP.NET development -I think this phenomenom is
global
> which I believe Microsoft are trying to address by introducing their
> one-click deployment of WinForms though.
> I would possibly say VB.net is slightly higher %, although in the summer
it
> seemed massively high -and this is possibly an indication of how fast C#
is
> being adopted.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Mark
>
> Mark Broadbent
>
> mcad,mcdba,mcse+i
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> "Bonj" <Bonj@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> > Don't know what it's like in America but in Britain, the jobs market
seems
> > to
> > have switched from completely VB6 based to about 80% C#, 10% VB.NET, 10%
> > VB6.
> > Although most of the C# jobs are really ASP.NET jobs. It seems like
> > ASP.NET
> > is quite lucrative in Britain at the moment, even though the market is
> > just
> > coming out of a downturn.
> > People don't want windows forms apps so much that they'll employ
somebody
> > to
> > do it specially. Windows forms apps are something you "knock up" - not
> > something you plan for ages beforehand and recruit a whole development
> > team
> > for.
> > There's very little demand for C++ skill, or so it seems to me. As far
as
> > I
> > can tell, C++ seems to be a language that you write something in during
> > your
> > own time, and then maybe sell that application - not something you do in
> > your
> > 9-5 job.
> > Neural networks and genetic algorithms - glossed over them briefly in my
> > degree, but even then I could tell that the jobs market was far more
> > database-oriented than "sophisticated algorithm"-oriented.
> >
> >
> > "Mark Broadbent" wrote:
> >
> >> Hi tjones, your background sounds a bit like me, although rather than
> >> Java
> >> and C++ I used perhaps less "indemand" languages VB, Pascal etc.
> >> I've been really looking for the ideal C# job for around six months now
> >> and
> >> I must say that I have become quite frustrated with development
> >> employers.
> >> They generally seem very blinkered in what they want - not employing
for
> >> potential but for an *exact* fit.
> >> I have been offered a couple of positions early on (one in VB.net and
one
> >> in
> >> C#) but there was various reasons why they were not for me -so Im
> >> starting
> >> to broaden my search now.
> >>
> >> Having read through your skill set, I thing you would stand quite a
good
> >> chance of landing something as you have a lot of key things going for
you
> >> that the industry is looking for ...more namely C++, Java, an Msc
> >> (hopefully). The two other things that seem to be currently missing on
> >> your
> >> list is C# and Oracle -so these would possibly be your areas of study.
> >>
> >> You ask whether C# is now more popular than VB. Well I guess that is
open
> >> to
> >> debate (but I think yes-certainly for new programmers). If the question
> >> is
> >> "is C# a better language than VB" then my opinion is also yes (he gets
> >> ready
> >> for the onslaught from VB programmers). I think it is a far cleaner
> >> language
> >> and helps promote a good OOP thinking and design. And yes C# has much
in
> >> common with Java and C++ (closer to Java perhaps), the great thing was
> >> that
> >> they had a clean slate to start from wheras VB.net designers didn't.
> >>
> >> Having spoken (briefly) to a couple of insiders I get the impression
that
> >> focus is being shifted more to C#, but I think VB.net will still be
> >> around
> >> for a good while yet -and you never know what is around the corner. It
is
> >> possible something will come out that will blow away OOP.
> >>
> >> So in brief I would say learn C#, and go full steam ahead towards the
job
> >> you want -you've got a great chance of getting there.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps.
> >> --
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> Mark Broadbent
> >>
> >> mcad,mcdba,mcse+i
> >> emailto: newsgroupsATmettayyaDOTgotadslDOTcoDOTuk
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> >> "tjones" <tjones@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> news:%239$UPm8xEHA.3624@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> > Hi, I am guessing this is *THE* nntp newsgroup for C#?
> >> >
> >> > I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction. Id like
to
> >> > find employment in the IT industry as a programmer again. My
background
> >> > is
> >> > a mix of programming and networking. I have fairly decent skills in
> >> > C++,
> >> > Java and ADA. I have been working as a network engineer on all
flavours
> >> > of
> >> > windows, lots of unix, mssql, cisco and others. Currently finishing a
> >> > master of science (MSc) in computing/programming. Thesis
> >> > component/project
> >> > is based on genetic algorithms. I have worked previously as a Java
and
> >> > C++
> >> > programmer and have done a lot of work on portal systems i.e. php,
> >> > mysql
> >> > etc in the past. What are my chances of landing a job based on the
fact
> >> > that my last programming job was around 2 years ago. All up i have
> >> > arounf
> >> > 3 years programming experience in the industry. I have a fairly
> >> > analytic
> >> > mind and feel the network engineering isnt stimulating my interests
to
> >> > the
> >> > degree i had hoped. I also hold a degree in mathematics and another
in
> >> > electrical engineering. I trade the stock/options markets so i have
> >> > knowledge of financial derivatives. This might help if im looking for
a
> >> > job in the financial indistry as a programmer i guess... I am only
now
> >> > looking into C#. Looks interesting. Much of it familiar to me based
on
> >> > the
> >> > fact that it is similar to C++ and Java. Where is the industry
heading
> >> > interms of programming? Is C# now more popular than VB. I dont know
> >> > much
> >> > VB.
> >> >
> >> > Any help appreciated!
> >> > cheers,
> >> > tjones
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
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