Re: C# is a proprietary programming language ??
From: Niki Estner (niki.estner_at_cube.net)
Date: 07/03/04
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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:13:32 +0200
"Chua Wen Ching" <chua_wen_ching@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Hi Nick Malik,
>
> I initially thought that C# is an ECMA standard as Microsoft submitted to
them. It is open to everyone to create a compiler for C# or anything.
It is.
> So why is it propiertary anymore? Not like if you want to use C#, you need
to buy this and that. I don't think it is a must to buy visual studio .net,
and .net framework is free to download.
Correct.
> Example, rpg language. If you want to use it, you need to have a
mainframe. I think this is more to propietary.
Well, if you want to use C# you need a Windows box. You see the similarity?
I know about Mono and DotGNU, but currently they are not yet comparable with
the MS .NET implementation. (lacking Windows forms and other important parts
of the framework, not even mentioning speed and reliability concerns...).
Niki
> Please correct me if i am wrong. Thanks.
> --
> Regards,
> Chua Wen Ching :)
>
>
> "Nick Malik" wrote:
>
> > This used to mean something... back when every company had their own
Fortran
> > compiler, and everyone was trying to write code in one Fortran compiler
that
> > could be used by all others... (write once, run anywhere... sound
familiar?)
> >
> > Java tried this too, of course. Everyone was supposed to have the same
> > "Java." Difference is, SUN kept the intellectual property rights for
Java,
> > so when Microsoft added some extensions to the language to make it
useful
> > for calling the Windows API, SUN sued, and won. Microsoft had to drop
the
> > Java platform (even though most folks agree that the Microsoft JVM was
> > head-and-shoulders faster than any other JVM at the time).
> >
> > So, Java is the language where you can write code on one operating
system
> > (say LINUX) and run it on another (say WINDOWS). For the most part,
it's
> > true.
> >
> > The downside is that any changes to the language have to be made either
by
> > the mothership (SUN) or they have to be delivered in Java class
libraries,
> > written in Java itself. This effectively prevents the language from
> > changing to meet new needs. Java is done. Either it's perfect, or it
> > isn't, but it isn't changing.
> >
> > C# is the brainchild of Microsoft. MS owns it. True, a spec for the
> > language has been released as a standard, and MS doesn't object to third
> > parties creating a C# compiler that will run on UNIX. On the other
hand, MS
> > isn't going to invest much money in any OS but Windows (with the minor
> > exception of the Mac). But C# is changing. A new version is about to
be
> > released with major new features. Fundamental features that couldn't be
> > done by just adding a library. This is the strength of a language that
one
> > company owns, and cares for.
> >
> > Of course, if you write code in C# on Windows, you can't run it on UNIX.
> > It's proprietary. One company owns the language, and they have decided
not
> > to support UNIX, so your code doesn't run there. You are restricted.
This
> > is the limitation of "proprietary." In theory, anyway. In practice,
there
> > are C# implementations growing on UNIX, written by open source folks.
So
> > while the charge is true, it doesn't mean much.
> >
> > Given the fact that over 90% of all desktop machines run Windows, the
point
> > is pretty thin. Java's ability to run on multiple platforms has
effectively
> > unified all the UNIX flavors, and has allowed some software companies to
> > deliver to both UNIX and Windows customers. This is the greatest
challenge
> > to the Microsoft dominance of PC-based software. But it doesn't really
> > matter when it comes to the language you should choose to do your work.
> >
> > These days, the notion of "proprietary" doesn't mean "locked in" like it
> > used to. One can say that Java is proprietary, since it is owned by
SUN.
> > One can say that a Java programmer is locked in, in that you cannot
develop
> > some libraries in VB, some in C#, some in COBOL, some in Forte, etc (all
> > available in .NET flavors), and make them all work together. You are
locked
> > in to one language on many platforms. With .NET, you are locked in to
one
> > platform, with many languages.
> >
> > I know of a software company that is moving their substantial code base
> > (currently in COBOL) to Java. Doesn't make sense to me. If they'd move
it
> > to .NET, they could recompile 60% of their code out of the box (Fujitsu
> > COBOL), and could use the skills of their existing programming staff to
> > complete the conversion. By moving to Java, they have to throw away
working
> > code and start over, probably by replacing people, as well as modules.
I
> > hope that their finances outlast their irrational behavior, because
their
> > stuff is good, even if their company is poorly run.
> >
> > Back to the original question: What is proprietary? My answer:
Everything
> > is proprietary... it doesn't matter. Pick the language that will work
for
> > you in the long run.
> >
> > As for me, I'm sticking with .NET.
> >
> > --- Nick Malik
> > Biztalk Bum
> >
> > "Matt" <mattloude@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:egwWNNMYEHA.2500@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > Some people identify Microsoft C# is Proprietary programming language.
> > > What is Proprietary programming language then? How does it differ
> > > from other languages such as C++, or Java??
> > >
> > > Please advise. thanks!!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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