RE: Is that a joke ?

Hello,
I am new to the C++ world, and I got my start at what many, and i am sure
you, do not consider real programming with the html world. I have been
plugging around for the last 3-4 years with several of the vb, c#, java,
coldfusion, etc. Unfortunately, I think you are right on many points, and it
is only sad for it took me this long to realize.

I have many complaints with vm not handling the load I need, and I know a
lot of it is for I have not learned how to correctly optimize a machine.
Anyways, that will come with time, but I am not sure where to begin with the
c++ world. I know there are quick starts, demo's, etc. However, for a
language with a much longer history has too have some
lessons/walkthroughs/demos/etc that someone with experience feels are must
do's. Was curios of a couple. I am much more interested in apps that play
on different os' (interoperibility), and I have more use for ones that use
the web. Would love any ideas on directions.
thanks
ian

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ian laurin


"Ted Nicols" wrote:

> That's what I keep asking myself whenever develop in .NET. Is this a joke a
> farse or just a bad dream?
>
> ..NET is slow, actually slow is just a polite word I can use in a newsgroup.
>
>
>
> ..NET is just a VM and as one it works very slowly, before and after JIT. I
> don't understand why some people insist that a VM can be compared with
> native code. I really feel sick, whenever compare native C++ code against
> the same code ported to C#. I don't know what is the performance loss with
> databases or corporate solutions but my math/CAE functions run times slower
> in .NET.
>
> Managed code might be fast enough for enterprise apps, database front ends
> or asp intranets. It probably looks fast to Java or VB developers but what
> about real time applications?
>
> What about CAD, CAE, CAM, scientific applications, utilities, math, imaging,
> desktop publishing etc. What should developers who write such applications
> must do ? Port them into UNIX ?
>
>
>
> What happened to the rule i knew twenty years ago? "Next version of anything
> should be at least faster and more stable than the previous one"
>
>
>
> I have many questions for MS developers, although I'm sure nobody will ever
> answer.
>
>
>
> 1. Is .NET just an approach to enterprise development?
>
> 2. Or another battle with Sun's Java
>
> 3. Or an MS conclusion that performance doesn't matter any more
>
> 4. If .NET was slow for WinFS, Office or Longhorn then why we have to
> believe that is fast for our own applications?
>
> 5. If Microsoft want a new API why that must be based on VM technology?
>
> 6. Why MS call .NET a "safe" framework, safe from what? Safe from hackers, I
> don't thin so, they can write anything they want in unmanaged code. Safe
> from mem leaks, a garbage collector doesn't make good programmers or safe
> applications. I still wonder what "safe" means.
>
> 7. Winforms1 will become obsolete because of WF2. WF2 will become obsolete
> because of Avalon. Then why they introduced them? Just to have something
> that hides Win32/GDI calls?
>
> 8. Longhorn drivers, kernel and anything "low-level" will be written in
> native code. LH must run in 64bit processors too, so native code must be
> natively compiled in 64bit API calls. That means Win32 will become Win64.
> Why MS don't simply implement WinFX as an OO frontend to Win32/64 API,
> leaving out the VM?
>
> 9. Mr Gates, why all that brain wash? You can fool some enterprise
> programmers but not the rest of us who used to hand-optimise our code, just
> to gain speed.
>
>
>
> Finally, a single word question to all those bright scientists who work for
> MS, Why ?
>
>
>
> Please don't try to change my opinion, you cannot. By the way I'm not one of
> those stupid guys who use to call Microsoft as M$. Me and all my colleagues
> use Microsoft development tools since 1982 and we all know what exactly are
> JIT, VM and native compiler.
>
>
>
> I really like .NET/WinFX as a library and C# as a modern language, but I
> feel sick with all that waste of processing power and lack of performance.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Ted Nicols
>
>
>
.

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