Re: Stand Alone EXE
From: Raheel A. Khan (raheelasadkhan_at_gmail.com)
Date: 03/19/05
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Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 03:18:20 +0500
Hi all,
To start with, thank you all this wonderful information. I am actually new
to the concept of newsgroups and other public information services. As
strange as that may seem to the readers of this groups, I have been on the
Microsoft development platform for 5 years and rely at most on Google or
MSDN.
In any case, I have worked with the software ranging from the simplest to
excruciatingly complex, the most common mass-oriented to tailored solutions
on an enterprise level.
I agree with Jim Hubbard in supporting Jonathan's prices as well as the
readers of this newsgroup who think his prices are TOO steep. Allow me to
explain. Being in the development business, I can understand that customer
services can inflate costs. Once a customer starts receiving good support
for a product that increases his profits, there is not much more he can ask
for. As for the ridiculously large number of individual developers and small
startups out there, I'd like to address Jonathan the following. Your concept
is indeed a professional and effective one, I have to give you that.
However, the idea of decreasing costs and increasing sales volumes is not a
new one. If used right, it can benefit people such as yourself as well as
the masses. I don't believe there are any boundaries in business creativity
and the average Joe armed with a modest IQ can step up there if a few things
are in place. I say all this out of personal experience since I have been
working on three cash cows myself. This newsgroup was more than a revelation
making me next in line to offer a "no dependency" deployment solution at a
rate masses can afford. What I will be missing is your dedication to
individual customer satisfaction since I have nor the business mindset, the
academic background, or the patience to support it. But I personally believe
that a vision which inspires from both schools of thought could go as far as
monopolizing an industry. Offer high cost services to customers of
reasonable size but don't shut out the masses. Instead, provide them with a
package that is affordable without the corporate support. I completely agree
with what someone said somewhere in this thread: "Individuals and startups
are desperate enough not to care about major support". I think there is too
much talent out there. Even if a fraction of that turns into success stories
because of our products, we could achieve unmatched sales volumes while
benefiting the masses at the same time.
In conclusion, a geek minus the disability to look beyond the screen can
raise some serious hell. I personally believe that if you can write
versatile code and improvise while maintaining sensible standards, you are
already equipped to take on the software consumer market in a big way.
Like I mentioned before, I am completely oblivious to electronic public
information services given my lack of patience on the internet so the only
place to contact me is via email or phone.
Thank you all again for the helpful information and wish you all the best of
luck!!!
Regards,
Raheel A. Khan
raheelasadkhan@gmail.com
+92 (300) 532-6980
"J L" <john@marymonte.com> wrote in message
news:dqhn31d6rafbp28oq5flat25jn8j3glv35@4ax.com...
> Hi Jim,
> I appreciate your enthusiasm for the company and the product. I too
> was impressed very much with the Thinstall concept when I first
> encountered it over a month ago. In fact we had some threads on it at
> that time.
>
> And I have no doubs about Jonathan's integrity and desire to produce a
> top-rate product. I only question his business model and pricing
> structure. If he can make a go of it without the programming community
> who are expressing thier interest here but can not afford his tariff,
> then I say...good for him. But if it were me I would seriously look at
> the market and reconsider. And if the product is so complicated that
> the level of users here is not adequate, then for sure he needs to
> review his product design, documentation or both. From what I read on
> his site, it did not seem that complicated (at least for most of the
> applications I would be creating).
>
> And my last thought is that he has stirred some good interest which
> may create strong competitive pressures in the future.
>
> Just my 2cents worth,
> John
>
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:06:23 -0500, "Jim Hubbard"
> <reply@groups.please> wrote:
>
> >
> >"J L" <john@marymonte.com> wrote in message
> >news:3vsl3190uv2358h78vb76hsutmb5358jnr@4ax.com...
> >> Hi Jim,
> >> I was very excited about Thinstall until I got this pricing from
> >> Jonathan:
> >>
> >>
> >> 1 Application License per unit with Basic support $4,000.00
> >>
> >> That is outrageous. For those who dont believe it, here is the link he
> >> sent me to get that pricing
> >>
> >> https://thinstall.com/store/index.php
> >>
> >> He definetly needs to rethink his pricing structure! I do agree with
> >> all you are saying. Thinstall's philosophy is the right way to go for
> >> XCOPY to really work and they could make a killing if they set thier
> >> price points correctly. I am a single developer creating custom
> >> applications for some fairly large food processors. No way can I
> >> afford that price. A few hundred dollars and it is tempting. I believe
> >> Jonathan should rethink the possible/probable price/volume curve if he
> >> did price this aggressively...let's see, how many millions of .Net
> >> programmers?...
> >
> >The price is a little steep for freeware or small software shops, but
there
> >is a reason for the price.
> >
> >Although Thinstall is very useful, the vast number of options it affords
the
> >developer usually means a great deal of hand-holding and one-on-one
> >development assistance while the developer "learns the ropes". This
support
> >is not cheap for Jonathan and the only other option is to leave
developers
> >hanging with only written instructions or charge for hourly support
(which
> >most customers won't go for).
> >
> >Jonathan (like myself) would rather do it right and make every customer a
> >success story than to have legions of customers that may or may not be
> >satisfied.
> >
> >I have to go with Jonathan on this one. Running my own business, I have
> >learned the hard way that going cheap only causes lots of lost sleep,
upset
> >customers and a so-so reputation. I abandoned this WalMart approach as
soon
> >as my customers weren't being taken care of like I would like to be taken
> >care of (like I am the most important customer the company has - even if
I'm
> >not).
> >
> >Jonathan's company (JIT) takes care of you like you are the most
important
> >customer they have. They go far beyond just answering a question or
> >two....they learn your product and goals and offer suggestions to
maximize
> >your profits. If needed, they will also create small demo applications
> >specifically for what you need to do - because seeing it done is always
> >better than hearing how it should be done.
> >
> >Jonathan takes calls himself and stays in touch with his customer base.
He
> >is a real "hands on" company president. Not because he has to be, but
> >because he wants to keep an eye on the quality of their product and
customer
> >service.
> >
> >I speak from experience on all of these points. He has helped me
personally
> >with my projects. He has developed demos personally to help me
understand
> >the possibilities that Thinstall affords developers and how those
Thinstall
> >capabilities can help me acheive my goals.
> >
> >Admitedly, I am a fan of Thinstall and the support I have recieved from
> >Jonathan Clark and the JIT team. I am so because of the product, service
> >and personal treatment by the JIT team.
> >
> >If this unabashed endorsement of a product makes you queasy, I apologize.
> >But, if you try Thinstall, you'll understand why I am such a fan of it
and
> >the JIT team.
> >
> >Jim Hubbard
> >
>
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