Re: VS IDE Blues (or code bloat)
From: Gordon Smith \(eMVP\) (Gordon.Smith_at_nospam.avnet.com)
Date: 01/12/05
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:19:03 -0700
"C# is a bitwise copy of Java"
rofl! I don't need to read anything else.
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tadpole wrote:
> By the time the bloated .net runtime has fired up to begin doing it's
> thing, my modperl code has already executed and is still resident in
> memory servicing other requests. I use both environments every day,
> and am constantly porting apps from one environment to another so I
> have a large suite of real world data and experience to go on. We use
> PHP, Python, Perl, Java, ASP and C# and have roughly 15 mission
> critial apps in these environments. As a lead testing coder I'm in
> somewhat of a unique position to see benchmarks. We've written lots
> more lines of .net code, but in the end only 3 apps are running in
> that environment after 2 years, but all the rest were done in other
> environments in much less time per app. They are easier to maintain
> as well. Same coding conventions, same group of coders.
>
> Total Cost of Ownership is really a discussion in and of itself, but
> what I see whith the Microsoft Web Application solution set is that I
> have to pay for tools that have free variants that are as good or
> better (and to pay for something that I can't fix problems in or
> customize to my work flow, when I can get something that does give me
> that for free really rankles), then I have to pay never ending yearly
> license fees for the web server and the OS to run it on, and pretty
> soon from what I've read Micsosoft will be trying to get programmers
> to rent code libraries on a per use basis. I can put up a robust
> (more hardenened that you could possibly do with Windows)
> transactional web site in a week for peanuts using open source tools.
> I only have to charge the customer for hardware and labor. If I use
> Microsoft, it takes literally 3 or 4 times as long to do the setup
> for each machine, and the price goes up by a factor of 5 or 6 at
> least to the customer. Even the really good ideas for open source are
> $500/pop, but they work. And they have features that you will not see
> from a Microsoft IDE until 2007. Me, I can't afford to wait around.
>
> I don't understand how a company who has that much money can't seem to
> produce something on their own. C# is a bitwise copy of Java. Period.
> Flat out, unabashed ripoff.
>
> I'll ask again, what did I get for all this pain of learning a new
> enviroment that I didn't already have, other than some back pain?
>
> "Greg Burns" wrote:
>
>> Is Perl even compiled? How can it run faster?
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> "tadpole" <tadpole@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:92632414-5402-44D5-92F7-127E02B65365@microsoft.com...
>>>> -Code bloat. Well it seems like it takes 5 to 10 times more lines
>>>> of code to
>>>> do a job with .net .aspx than it does in Perl. I say work smarter
>>>> not harder
>>>> and go with the fewer lines of code.
>>> Not only is the code smaller, it runs faster.
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