Re: Thinking out loud....
From: Jon Skeet [C# MVP] (skeet_at_pobox.com)
Date: 11/17/04
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:48:26 -0000
Jim Hubbard <reply@groups.please> wrote:
> > That doesn't mean it's not P2P though. Given the way it works, I don't
> > think search would really be appropriate.
>
> That brings me back to how to find .torrent files. If there is no search,
> it seems less user-friendly to me than other file-sharing networks. It also
> breaks stride with the users of other file-sharing software. Things should
> be kept as simple as possible to ensurte the greates following possible.
You find the files either by searching with Google, or (in my
experience, certainly) by being in the relevant community which
publishes the torrent files in the first place. For instance, I might
be reading a review of a game, and there's a torrent of a demo
available. No need to search.
<snip>
> >> Where do you get .torrent files? Where do you search for files?
> >
> > I've basically just seen torrent links on websites (eg Slashdot). You
> > can search for torrents using Google, of course.
>
> Just not as user friendly as other P2P programs. I have seen some sites
> online that charge $9.95 to $34.95 for links to .torrent files. That dog
> just won't hunt.
So don't pay - I'm sure the *vast* majority of torrent users don't.
There are plenty of free links as well. Would you think less of other
P2P programs if there were sites which charged to do things with them?
The presence of pay sites doesn't remove the presence of non-pay sites.
<snip>
> As for my little test P2P file-sharing app, I think I'll make a DLL
> available in .Net to make creating your own client as easy as possible. The
> more clients you have, the more popular the protocol will be, the more files
> will be shared on the network.
While a .NET DLL will certainly help for some clients, if you *require*
.NET you've just removed a huge bunch of users.
> >> and should have a forum available, not just some silly Yahoo Group.
> >
> > I'm sure there are plenty of forums in one form or another. I don't
> > happen to know about them as I haven't needed them - the software's
> > just worked for me.
> >
> > By "silly Yahoo Group", do you mean the technical support mailing list?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Just because it's using Yahoo Groups doesn't mean it's not perfectly
> > usable as a mailing list.
>
> It is usable, but having to get a YahooID and request to be added to the
> group seems like it may turn some people off. A lot of forum software is
> free and requires very little (if any) login info for people to use.
Yahoo doesn't require significant amounts. It's free and pretty easy -
less time consuming for most people than downloading and installing
.NET, for instance.
> Microsoft had a great idea with the whole passport thing, but screwed it up
> by charging so much for a small business otr website to use it that
> Microsoft Passports are not the login panacea they should have been.
Arguably, making people put a *bit* more effort into getting technical
support isn't a bad idea - it might mean that by the time they ask the
question they're interested in, they have a vested interest in asking
it in a useful way.
> > If you can end up with a better and more successful system than
> > BitTorrent, I'm sure you'll be much in demand. I look forward to seeing
> > it.
>
> I'll give myself a deadline of December 24, 2004. I am starting from
> scratch, so the first BETA will not be pretty. While I'm at it, I'll try
> and think of ways that the games, music and movie industries can use it to
> distribute trailers, demos and even paid-for items. (The distribution thing
> is easy, the paid-for-items thing...not so much.)
>
> I will post here when the beta is ready.
Sure. I'll remain cynical about it being a BT-beater until that happens
though... it's not like the world has been short of P2P apps and had to
make do with any old rubbish.
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