Re: Thinking out loud....
From: Jim Hubbard (reply_at_groups.please)
Date: 11/17/04
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:08:02 -0500
"Jon Skeet [C# MVP]" <skeet@pobox.com> wrote in message
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> Jim Hubbard <reply@groups.please> wrote:
>> Ok, so I'm just denser than I originally suspected...but, I downloaded
>> BitTorrent and TorrentStorm and don't see a search feature like you do in
>> traditional P2P applicartions.
>
> That doesn't mean it's not P2P though. Given the way it works, I don't
> think search would really be appropriate.
That brings me back to how to find .torrent files. If there is no search,
it seems less user-friendly to me than other file-sharing networks. It also
breaks stride with the users of other file-sharing software. Things should
be kept as simple as possible to ensurte the greates following possible.
(Not that you need to read it, but I have found it to be a great
help...."Don't Make Me Think" by Steve Krug. It's about user thought and
activity patterns as they relate to web page design. Although that
definition makes the book sound a tad technical and dry, it is neither. It
is an easy afternoon read and Steve's ideas can be related to software
design as well.)
>
>> Where do you get .torrent files? Where do you search for files?
>
> I've basically just seen torrent links on websites (eg Slashdot). You
> can search for torrents using Google, of course.
Just not as user friendly as other P2P programs. I have seen some sites
online that charge $9.95 to $34.95 for links to .torrent files. That dog
just won't hunt.
>
>> Looks like a closed system. Too bad, they almost got it right.
>
> I don't believe it's particularly closed, actually.
On second-look, I agree.
>
>> Any system like this need to be open source (i.e. source available on the
>> website)
>
> The Python source is available on the website. More importantly, the
> protocol is specified on the website.
Found it. Don't know Python, but good to know the source is out there.
As for my little test P2P file-sharing app, I think I'll make a DLL
available in .Net to make creating your own client as easy as possible. The
more clients you have, the more popular the protocol will be, the more files
will be shared on the network.
>
>> and should have a forum available, not just some silly Yahoo Group.
>
> I'm sure there are plenty of forums in one form or another. I don't
> happen to know about them as I haven't needed them - the software's
> just worked for me.
>
> By "silly Yahoo Group", do you mean the technical support mailing list?
Yes.
> Just because it's using Yahoo Groups doesn't mean it's not perfectly
> usable as a mailing list.
It is usable, but having to get a YahooID and request to be added to the
group seems like it may turn some people off. A lot of forum software is
free and requires very little (if any) login info for people to use.
Microsoft had a great idea with the whole passport thing, but screwed it up
by charging so much for a small business otr website to use it that
Microsoft Passports are not the login panacea they should have been.
>
>> I can do this better.
>>
>> Wanna see?
>
> If you can end up with a better and more successful system than
> BitTorrent, I'm sure you'll be much in demand. I look forward to seeing
> it.
I'll give myself a deadline of December 24, 2004. I am starting from
scratch, so the first BETA will not be pretty. While I'm at it, I'll try
and think of ways that the games, music and movie industries can use it to
distribute trailers, demos and even paid-for items. (The distribution thing
is easy, the paid-for-items thing...not so much.)
I will post here when the beta is ready.
>
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