Re: The pros and cons of .NET

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From: JD (no_at_address.org)
Date: 09/25/04 

Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:35:12 GMT

Cor,

Thanks for replying.

I do not think .NET is only a runtime and I never stated that, but my
concern was when you said there is no runtime and then go on further to say
its part of OS layer. Both of which I strongly disagree. But like Nick said
it may be a language thing.

JD

"Cor Ligthert" <notmyfirstname@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:OuKxsAxoEHA.3392@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> JD,
>
> Before I start do not misunderstand me I find your contribution to this
> thread very well done.
>
> >In science, terminology and vocabulary is very important. It is called a
> > runtime. Microsoft calls it a runtime. The link you provided calls it a
> > runtime, it even provides a link to download the runtime
>
> In that page is spoken about (just copied.)
> "The .NET Framework consists of two main parts: the common language
runtime
> and the .NET Framework class library."
> Here is not written constist only of two parts or is a runtime.
>
> I do not reference furthermore to your text, because all those discusions
> where people are telling that the other one is wrong leads to nothing,
> nobody is wrong the only thing I try to do here is to get a better
> understanding and when you can convince me, that that is a benefit for me.
> And when I can convience you, do with it what you want.
>
> In my opinion and all times I had to do with a runtime was a runtime one
dll
> which translated the intermidiate code (in the same way you showed the
> layers, however than only one) to machine code(or API's).
>
> I have myself often called the .Net a runtime, because that is much easier
> to understand. (You can check the newsgroups from dotNet on Google and you
> will see that I told that often).
>
> However in my opinion did I not tell it right and I knew that I was wrong,
> it is in my opinion more than only a runtime.
>
> I will be glad when you can show me a link from Microsoft (not an MVP page
> or whatever) where Microsoft tells that .Net is abolute nothing more than
a
> runtime. Not that there is a runtime integrated that I know of course very
> good, but that is not that important, because in my opinion is the
> difference between a runtime and an API as well quit quick disputable.
> However with such a text on an official Microsoft page you can convince me
> completly.
>
> By the way talking about Microsoft employees does not say much, Microsoft
is
> not a company from only dotNet experts you know.
>
> To answer your last question, I have nowhere spoken that net is an
Operating
> System. I have consequently only spoken about a layer which can be used
upon
> the OS. (Not from myself by the way, just from a book)
>
> I hope this gives an idea why I wrote this.
>
> Cor
>
>
> "JD" <no@address.org>
> >
> > In science, terminology and vocabulary is very important. It is called a
> > runtime. Microsoft calls it a runtime. The link you provided calls it a
> > runtime, it even provides a link to download the runtime. The 20-30 some
> > odd
> > books I read about .NET call it a runtime. The .NET experts employed by
> > Microsoft that I have seen speak call it a runtime.
> >
> > The runtime provides these services: JIT, threads, garbage collection,
> > security, etc. Do not confuse these services with the same services
> > provided
> > by the Windows operating system, they are different. Example, .NET
managed
> > thread does not equal a Windows operating thread.
> >
> > Just because the operating system comes with the runtime does not make
it
> > part of the operating system. There are four runtimes that I know of:
> > Rotor,
> > MS CLR, Mono, and DotGNU. They all refer to this "service layer" as
> > runtime.
> > I can even compile an .exe by the MS VB.NET compiler and run it in the
> > CLR,
> > Mono and Rotor runtimes.
> >
> > Please, if you respond to this message at all, please answer at least
this
> > one question. If you don't call it a runtime, then what do you call it
> > exactly?
> >
> > JD
> >
> >
> > "Cor Ligthert" <notmyfirstname@planet.nl> wrote in message
> > news:uh0of8koEHA.800@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> I did not get it from this page, however I have now searched for this,
> > when
> >> Jon will call this a runtime that has to be downloaded he is free to
do,
> >> I
> >> did not answer Jon, Jon was answering me and I still disagree with him,
I
> >> agree with the documentation bellow.
> >>
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/net/basics/framework.asp
> >>
> >> An excuse would be normal, however that is not your style, we have
really
> >> not the same behaviour as you showed and I am very glad with that.
> >>
> >> I hope that Jon does not agree with the behaviour of you.
> >>
> >> Cor
> >>
> >> "Nick Malik" <nickmalik@hotmail.nospam.com>
> >>
> >> > Why do you do it, Jon?
> >> >
> >> > Why do you respond to Cor?
> >> >
> >> > He's clearly not on the same planet as the rest of the NG? He
doesn't
> >> > know
> >> > what he is talking about and he flaunts his ignorance at every turn.
> >> >
> >> > No one is confused by him. You gain nothing by arguing with him.
When
> >> > you
> >> > and he both answer a question, everone reads your answer, because we
> > know
> >> > that you have done something that Cor has not... you have taken the
> >> > time
> >> > to
> >> > learn the system.
> >> >
> >> > By responding to him, you waste your time, and we (those of us who
> >> > enjoy
> >> > reading your responses) are less fortunate for it.
> >> >
> >> > --- Nick
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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