Re: Dear Mr Gates, A suggestion to make the CLR Ubiquitous
- From: "William Stacey [MVP]" <staceyw@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 09:04:06 -0400
I am not sure why Office 12 is a delivery vehicle for the framework as IIRC
there is still no managed code in it. That said, it probably makes some
sense as it something most everyone will install and have the CDs for so the
extra 20MB will not be noticed. From my perspective, it is mostly
ubiquitous by now anyway. There are still a few dial-up users out there,
but they are probably not a target for your apps anyway. Could be wrong.
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William Stacey [MVP]
"Dreams2Text" <dreams2text@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Bill seems to be at least partially concerned. Checkout
>
> http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2005/09/15.html
> ====================
> JUdell: But that's interesting, because I've really never met a
> developer who didn't like the framework and runtime once they got going
> with that stuff, but they often lament the relative non-ubiquity, still
> to this day, of those bits. And the question has been, you know --
> what's the thing that gets that stuff out there? It sounds like maybe it
> will be Office 12 as much as anything. Is that...
>
> BillG: Right. That will be one of the things, I mean Vista, Office 12,
> there'll be a lot of things. And you know, that kind of download size is
> getting more acceptable, and we're getting more installations of it. But
> you're right, we've got to drive that forward. There comes a point where
> it's just common sense. We're not quite there.
> ========================
> In a sense it is not too hard to get corporations start projects. The
> CLR is just a CD away or downloading it is no big deal when it is your
> job to do that. But try this at home.... assuming you have a wife or
> brother or sister who uses a computer but is not very bleeding edge
> professional. Give a CD with .Net on it and ask her or him to install it
> describing it as one of the foundational technologies of Windows which
> will make his/her computer ready for application that would be available
> soon. I bet you will get the response. "I have better things to do right
> now". We will see about .Net later.
>
> What matters is the ubiquity of the platform. Even if 40% of users do
> not have the platform and you can't start writing general purpose apps
> in C# and put em up for download. Your potential users will choose a
> smaller app from a competitor simply coz he wants to postpone the .Net
> CLR download. As a career there is a bright career even in PL/I
> coding... I find a lot of job listings... That is not the reason for me
> to choose a language at all.
>
> As a small application developer, I hate the fact that I cant write apps
> put it on the net and expect people to download it and install it and
> pay me cash if they like it. I could do that with VC++ or old VB. Today
> I can no longer do that with .Net even if I want to. VC++,VB are low
> level and the C# way of doing things is a lot more elgant. Why should I
> be deprived of the opportunity to put up a photosharing program, an IM
> software or the Next killer App by simply writing it in C# and expecting
> the average Joe to have the CLR on his desktop at home.
>
> I know pretty well that my not using C# right now matters little to
> BillG. but i dont see anyone getting the point of my statements. Nobody
> is going bankrupt here. But hey it is all about max profits for the
> corporation and max power for coders.
>
> "When some one asks me what other choices do you have", I am reminded of
> the cafeteria Menu. Well ya. I can live on that food. But hey life is
> more than just survival.
>
> Sudarshan.
>
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