Re: Java and .NET (no Flames Pls)
From: Saras Asnani (saras.asnasi_at_thehartford.com)
Date: 09/16/04
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Date: 16 Sep 2004 07:38:44 -0700
I feel VS.NET is much easier to develop in. Language wise I consider
C#/Java 90% same. Also, it depends on the kind of applications. To
make it more general say n-tier or i feel the market should move more
towards Web Services (I like to call it NET-Services...
internal/external net services).
I think hands down that C# windows or .Net windows app are much faster
than Java windows app (designed and coded similarly, that is not
optimially coded... keep it simple code....)
Also I really like what MS has done with ADO.NET both ver 1.1 and
ver2.0.
On the application server/business server side I think .Net and Java
execute almost at the same speed. Of course if you are using a DBMS
this will depend on JDBC and OLE/SQLClient for each (I belive JDBC is
faster in this case...not sure...its been a while). The great
advantage that Java has on the app server side is it has vendors with
huge base both apps and developers.... such as BEA, IBM WebShpere,
TIBCO - ASP, Oracle App Server, and all the open source stuff aimed at
anything except MS.
The other advantage that Java, Linux, Unix, MAINFRAME, ORACLE, maybe
even MySQL has over .NET and MS is SECURITY. SECURITY SUCKS IN MS.
If MS can be made secure and I am sure it can (surrounding your
external networks with linux boxes :) etc...)
When it comes to making web-services / net-services i think either way
should be fine but when it comes to development...I would pick MS.NET.
VS.Net and VS 2005 is a great tool, C# is as easy as Java sometimes a
bit better.
on the open source side if the linux installation was easier on the
desktop for other not so tech developers and if there was an
equavilent tool, i would pick linux/xtool? Just because Linux itself
is so much faster (I like Suse and the old Slackware for Mutliple Sym
Proc)
Anyone still doing assembly? :)
enough for now....
-Saras Asnani.
Jon Skeet [C# MVP] <skeet@pobox.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1bb33b96a38f008c98b41a@msnews.microsoft.com>...
> Daniel O'Connell [C# MVP] <onyxkirx@--NOSPAM--comcast.net> wrote:
> > > I wonder how many of them have used Eclipse for long enough to get used
> > > to it. It took me a while to get used to VS.NET, and I like it more
> > > than I did to start with. I still miss incremental compilation,
> > > intellisense that can display more than one overload at a time,
> > > compile-on-save, the Eclipse project system, refactoring, contextual
> > > diffs, organise imports, a decent source-safe plug-in (ironically!)...
> >
> > Well, incremental compilation never mattered much to me, for whatever reason
> > most of the mistakes I make are truely egregious, like
> >
> > Console.WrtieLine("Whatever"):
> >
> > Which the parser picks up, or ones which aren't really compliation errors.
> > Still, I can see the benifits.
>
> Note that I don't mean "as you type" error detection - I mean actual
> compilation. In Eclipse, by default it compiles the code every time you
> hit save. If VS.NET did that, it would be a pain in the neck because it
> would recompile a whole load of stuff which hadn't changed
>
> > As for the source-safe plugin, I imagine the ecplise plugin is better than
> > VSS itself, ;). I'm rather fond of Vault myself.
>
> Unfortunately I'm stuck using VSS at work...
>
> > As for refactoring, I never really considered it useful until whidbey. When
> > I was learning java using eclipse, for whatever reason I didn't think it was
> > very useful. I've been shown Iwas wrong since, but for some reason it
> > seemed to be pointless at the time.
>
> :)
>
> I haven't had a careful look at what the support is like in Whidbey. My
> guess is it won't be as extensive as Eclipse due to timescales, but
> that probably doesn't matter - there aren't *many* refactorings I use
> in Eclipse anyway. It's just that they're incredibly handy when I do
> use them!
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