Re: Howto: WebService in not Bin folder?

From: Topper (alexander.rodenkov_at_bix.ru)
Date: 12/23/04 

Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:58:52 +0300

Hello, Dan

I've found decision - befor my application starts check and add tags to
"machin.config" every time. It is a simply.

Thanks.

"Dan Rogers" <danro@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CBB$E8t5EHA.3512@cpmsftngxa10.phx.gbl...
> Hi Alexander,
>
> Wow. Wow. Holy wow.
>
> I wish I'd known eaarlier that you were not talking about ASP.net web
> services - we could have saved a lot of time.
>
> Since you have developed your own web server and your own web service
> stack, there is very little you can gain, in my opinion, from reading
about
> how IIS hosted web services function and are controlled. Unless you
> duplicated exactly the functionality and design/configuration of ASP.net,
> nothing I can tell you about how to do something with the Microsoft
ASP.net
> implementation would apply to your own private code base.
>
> The best I can tell you is to look at your code, your own designs, and
then
> see if you have provided the kind of control you desire. I can't comment
> on your implementation, or on the cassini example.
>
> I wish you luck,
>
> Dan Rogers
> Microsoft Corporation
> --------------------
> Reply-To: "Topper" <alexander.rodenkov@bix.ru>
> From: "Topper" <alexander.rodenkov@bix.ru>
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> Subject: Re: Howto: WebService in not Bin folder?
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:35:50 +0300
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>
> Ok.
> I've develop project for PDA terminals. There're two components - server
> (PC) and PDA-client(s).
> My project is a part of another commertial solution and used as
> internet/intranet solution. But it is not Internet application.
>
> The one of common goals of my project sounds like this:
> (!)Server part must be as a black box ("pandora box") - it must be prevent
> for any changes and customisations 'cause
> it planned to use as a commertial platform for another terminal clients
> development(!).
>
> Compact framework supports only two ways for data exchange between client
> and server (as i know) - one is Messaging (using SOAP/XML messages
exchange
> over HTTP or TCP). The second is webservices. I've choose second 'cause it
> is a simply to use, development, flexible and simply for any
enhancements.
> The first one is hardly scalable and flexible because i must to declare
any
> SOAP/XML request and response (messages) for client and server.
>
> I'd choose WebService technology for my solution.
> But i have one problem - i must not use IIS server (it concerned with
> services of another solution parts - i cann't change its logic) .
> And i've develop my own web server for hosting own WebServices (i've seen
> Cassini Web server sample).
>
> And now i have two problems that i want to solve:
> 1.My WebService and Web Server use the same assemblies (for example,
> core.dll, common.dll etc.) and i have to place its to BIN folder(for
> websercvices) and ROOT (for webServer and HTTP handler like asmx-file ) -
it
> is not good idea, imho.
> 2. Because this solution is for commertial use, i need to prevent it for
any
> cases of customisations( hacking, unlicense usage, etc.). The common way
is
> to prevent any customisations in asmx-files because these files is TEXT
> files and its use inside description of codebehind assemblies. Some"bad
man"
> (hacker, employee, etc.) can write own webservice as mine and path it in
> asmx-file instead mine assemply. In this case he takes access to any
> information that PDA exchanges to Server - it can be security info like
> credit cards info or some private information.
>
> To solving these problems i found in MSDN that i can configure my web
> service using .config file.
> For one i must use <codebase> or <probing> tags in my .config file.
> For second i must create my own IHTTPHandler-class instead asmx-file and
> describe it as handler in .config file using <<httpHandlers> tag.
> But .config file is also TEXT file and it can be customised by somebody
also
> (like asmx file) =((
>
> And i have two questions:
> 1. How can i configure my ASP.NET applications without .config file - only
> using some class or object? Maybe i may to secure .config file or place it
> into some dll-resources?
> 2. How can i change default place for my WebServices (BIN-folder)? (It is
> not primary goal but i'd describe above why i don't want to divide
> WebServer, HTTP-handlers and WebServices dll-files to different folders)
>
> And how can i secure my ASP.NET solution for any LOCAL customisations (any
> text file like .config and asmx files)?
>
> May anybody answer me how?
>
> Alexander.
>
>
> "Dan Rogers" <danro@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:vaakEA74EHA.3440@cpmsftngxa10.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Alexander,
> >
> > Could you be clearer about what the problem is? Why is the Bin
directory
> > something you don't like? And what text file is it that you think there
> is
> > an issue for? What is that issue?
> >
> > Dan
> > --------------------
> > Reply-To: "Topper" <alexander.rodenkov@bix.ru>
> > From: "Topper" <alexander.rodenkov@bix.ru>
> > References: <#$DjCGe4EHA.2804@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>
> > <fIg1b6j4EHA.3744@cpmsftngxa10.phx.gbl>
> > <e4hSfgo4EHA.2540@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>
> > <OC8s5Gs4EHA.824@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>
> > Subject: Re: Howto: WebService in not Bin folder?
> > Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:03:26 +0300
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> > Path:
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>
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> > phx.gbl
> > Xref: cpmsftngxa10.phx.gbl
> > microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.webservices:8126
> > X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.webservices
> >
> > I'm trying to use webservice business logic only in binary file (dll )
and
> > asmx-file using for it is not good idea.
> >
> >
> > "Mujtaba Syed" <mujtaba@marlabs.com> wrote in message
> > news:OC8s5Gs4EHA.824@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi Topper:
> > >
> > > > ASMX file has definition(assembly name) of my WebService object for
> > > > ASP.NET.
> > > > ASP.NET searching my WebService assembly in bin folder (by default
it
> > > > defined in machine.config file)
> > > > But if i place my WebService dll not in bin folder ASP.NET cann't
> found
> > it
> > > > and error occured.
> > >
> > > If you use Visual Studio .NET, it breaks your web service into two
> parts,
> > a
> > > .ASMX file and a .ASMX.CS file. The .ASMX.CS file is referenced by the
> > > CODEBEHIND attribute in the .ASMX file. Now when you compile your
> project,
> > > the .ASMX.CS (codebehind) is compiled to a .DLL and placed in your BIN
> > > folder under your VROOT. When the ASP.NET runtime is serving an .ASMX
> file
> > > (reference in the URL), it sees the INHERITS attribute and compiles a
> > > temporary class by inheriting the codebehind class from the DLL. So,
> /BIN
> > is
> > > just the default probing path to lookup assemblies. And since you
don't
> > want
> > > to configure alternative probing paths in web.config, you problem can
be
> > > solved by not using a codebehind at all. Put all your code in .ASMX
and
> be
> > > done with!
> > >
> > > Mujtaba.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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