Re: To Many Errors!

From: Michael Lahrkamp (mlahrkamp_at_bitstorm.com)
Date: 03/24/04 

Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:46:58 -0500

Our experience is that the .NET Compact Framework does offer some
advantages. Debugging is the highest. From a coding perspective, I do have
to say that the number of lines of total lines of code as compared to
functional code is somewhere in the neighbourhood of 300:1. Typical desktop
applications we've developed tend to run somewhere around 15:1. These apps
are fully retail ready, not your inhouse 'good enoughs'. The reason for the
higher count on the PPCs is that there is significant coding to get around
the limitations in the .NET CF. Managing forms is one of the largest
consumers. This higher ratio translates directly into longer development
times but is being somewhat offset by the reduced debugging time. It still
takes longer than developing a desktop app (somewhere about 3x or higher).
With the higher line count, the potential for bugs is exponentially larger
though and we end up needing to do a much greater level of QA (which uses
more resources).

Overall, there has been a lot of frustration using .NET CF, but believe
(perhaps erroneously) that it's better than some of the alternatives that
we've tried. The biggest single improvement that we would like to see is
more accurate documentation, followed by greater capability in the CF and
lastly, more complete and tested code samples in both C# and VB (not
everyone uses C#). We can all contribute by providing responses to others in
newsgroups that are complete, accurate and correct.

Mike

"chris" <dl4gbe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dda59995.0403230959.5181c083@posting.google.com...
> Hallo,
>
> I am now working now on a project since 1/2 a year. There are
> too many bad things happening. Sure: You can get an answer for most
> of the problems searching the web, and there are MVP'S like Chris
> who try to help out. But, the root of the problem: Writing a fast
> application
> is the same like it was in eVB: IT DOES NOT WORK. You can not write a
> Commercial Application with Windows CE. It does not make sense. Yes:
> It does not make sense to be on the Internet 24 hours to solve trivial
> problems.
> It does not make sense to be a Master like Chris Tacke, just to write
> a simple application. As long as Pocket PC application development is
> so difficult, it does not make sense to do it! Not everybody is smart
> like Chris Tacke!!!
> Think about normal 8 - 18 hours programmers!!!! But this guys should
> write this applications.
>
>
> Please stop to promote CF and VB.NET as long as this fundamental
> problem are not solved: Writing an Application in No Time!!! Writing
> an application in resenable time! Every else does not matter!!!
>
> Microsoft Please wake up. A view days ago a guy from HP came into my
> Office and
> said: You are the Customer we sell the most of our Pocket PC in the
> whole country. (We just received 300 devices in one day) What are you
> doing with all this mashines? I said, Software, but we have such a bad
> time doing this!!!
> Yeas, we use this Pocket PC bull*** (Not me,but my employee) Every
> day they
> come in by the hundreds, using my software. But, it's all bull***. I
> get
> drunk in the evening to forget my programming work ...
>
> Sorry my bad English!!!
>
> Chris