Re: Are ASP.NET user interfaces essentially dead now?

How does "clickonce" solve the problem up version updates? One nice thing
about a webserver, is the site can be updated without the user having to do
anything.

"Rob R. Ainscough" <robains@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:u22mrjD$FHA.2708@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> This seems to be a recurring theme in all the responses:
>
> "...browsers/platforms with proper care by the developer..." there is
> proper care and then there is jumping thru hoops, you want to avoid the
> hoop jumping. But beyond that, no matter how much care you put into the
> ASP.NET app it has several flaws:
>
> 1. it relies on a browser that can be modified by other malicious web
> sites
> 2. takes longer to develop ASP.NET interface than a windowsform app
> 3. slow and inefficient even if you do the work to cache everything just
> right, the rendering will aways be slower
> 4. there more things you can do in a WindowsForm interface that you
> either can't do in a web page or requires consider work and effort to do
> it
>
> If the sandbox is that tight, they probably can't do much with the PC
> regardless. And communicating with a Web Service is not required the
> developer can choose how they want to communicate -- direct to SQL
> servers, web services, or even local services that might be on that PC.
>
> I see Winforms doing the major amount of interface work and leaving the
> web pages for mostly static work -- just a way to get to the clickonce
> link. Ultimately the folks paying the development bill want the fastest
> solution possible with the features they need. ASP.NET is not that
> solution.
>
> Rob.
>
>
> "Marina" <someone@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:uC2DfOC$FHA.3804@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> However, using winforms requires that the client has the .NET framework
>> installed. At this point that is a big leap to take.
>>
>> Where as an ASP.NET app can work just fine on other browsers/platforms
>> with proper care by the developer, there is no way a developer can make
>> winforms work on a platform that does not have an implementation of the
>> .NET framework installed.
>>
>> And yes, while the application in winforms will be secure, it may be to
>> secure. If the sandbox is too tight, the application may not be able to
>> make a web service call back to the web server for example. Now the user
>> has to go configure security on their machine - what average user is
>> going to know how to do that?
>>
>> Another issue is someone checking their email or the news from a kiosk.
>> Those machines are locked down pretty tight - the odds of them being open
>> enough to run your winforms application? I don't know.
>>
>> Personally, I don't see winforms as a viable option for web development
>> for the forseeable future. But that's me, I could be way off.
>>
>> "Rob R. Ainscough" <robains@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:%23gqpHyB$FHA.140@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> VS 2005 I have:
>>> ClickOnce deployment
>>> User's that hate and or don't want to use an IE Client (don't blame
>>> them)
>>>
>>> I don't see how ASPX web pages are going to survive? With .NET 2.0 and
>>> clickonce deployment my app is 427KB (even with modem dialup speed it
>>> doesn't take long to download) -- the user gets a very friendly secure
>>> WindowsForm app (most of them don't even notice they're not under IE
>>> anymore) that performs considerably faster than any ASP.NET app.
>>>
>>> The road map as I see it:
>>> IE client -- back to static just clickonce links that open up
>>> WindowsForms apps
>>> Vista -- .NET 2.0 built in (no need to download)
>>> WebServices -- called from WindowsForms apps (keeps it secure and
>>> firewall friendly)
>>> WindowsForms are a HELL of a lot more secure (no IE attached activex
>>> components, no data miners, click monitors, etc. etc.)
>>>
>>> The way I see it -- user interaction is going to move back to
>>> WindowsForms since the IE client by definition is just NOT user
>>> friendly, NOT programmer friendly, and has a ton of other issues
>>> surrounding it in terms of security and performance and flexibility.
>>>
>>> Don't get me wrong, web development will still exist (web services and
>>> basic static content), but I believe anyone doing serious business
>>> applications using the web will migrate to this approach -- it really is
>>> a win win.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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