Re: REPOST: Guru Challenge
- From: "Juan T. Llibre" <nomailreplies@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:36:26 -0400
re:
>I really don't think you understand what I'm even saying.
Perhaps you haven't supplied the correct information,
or asked yourself the correct questions, or listened well enough.
My only point is that you're presenting a unique situation which I have
never seen reported, so you should look to how your system(s) are
configured for the answer.
You have 3 things at play here :
1. Your hardware configuration
2. Your software configuration
3. Your network environment ( both hardware and software )
You'll need to check all of them.
re:
> You telling me that your system does the job in a short period of time does not, in any
> way, mean that MY problem is specs.
No one is disputing that, as far as hardware goes.
Sometimes a comparison helps.
Don't your disk/software images have specs, too ?
I've seen no end of problems come from standard disk images,
starting with name ambiguities and running a whole gamut
of items which need individual configuration.
Networked environments are particularly sensitive to naming ambiguities,
and they could lead to, precisely, the type of problem you are describing.
re:
> Since creating a web application involves VS.NET and IIS communicating and the
> configuration of the two products configured properly, it may be an IIS configuration
> issue, it may be a VS .NET configuration issue
Your original phrasing was :
"It seems that the IIS directory gets created right away, but it is not
configured as an application directory until several minutes go by."
And the *same* problem exists in *all* the machines, right ?
If so, this, again, points to name ambiguities.
re:
> it may be a permissions issue (this is, after all, a corporate desktop image I'm talking
> about).
That could very well be.
Many IIS settings depend on machine-specific configurations.
How about something simple, like the TCP/IP stacks ?
When you run applications on the localhosts, do the sites respond quickly ?
Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
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"Scott M." <NoSpam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:u5KhjIhyFHA.1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>I really don't think you understand what I'm even saying.
>
> I am NOT saying that the systems in question are performing slowly. I am saying that
> ONE particular task is taking longer than it should. You telling me that your system
> does the job in a short period of time does not, in any way, mean that MY problem is
> specs. Not to mention that the systems I'm talking about seem to be much MORE robust
> than the system you are talking about. That, right there, is what tells me that this
> isn't a spec issue.
>
> I am quite sure that the problem is a software configuration issue. The system is fast
> in everything that it does EXCEPT for the creation of the web project. Since creating a
> web application involves VS.NET and IIS communicating and the configuration of the two
> products configured properly, it may be an IIS configuration issue, it may be a VS .NET
> configuration issue, it may be a permissions issue (this is, after all, a corporate
> desktop image I'm talking about). The point is that, with the years of experience I've
> had with VS.NET, I'm pretty sure what specs. you need to get good results and these
> machines have those specs.
>
> Again, thanks for your help, but I don't think your suggestion is the problem.
> "Juan T. Llibre" <nomailreplies@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:Oqvyd7gyFHA.1040@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> re:
>>>I'm telling you that the specs are not the issue.
>>
>> That doesn't sound right.
>>
>> All I'm telling you is that .Net, nor even VS.NET,
>> whether 2003 or 2005, have nothing to do with your problem.
>>
>> I have another lowly, twin-800Mhz, 512 MB ram system,
>> which is even slower-performing than my main system,
>> yet it churns application creation in less than 15 seconds.
>>
>> In fact, I have *never* heard of a problem like the one you describe
>> affecting normal, run-of-the-mill hardware running VS.Net/.Net Framework.
>>
>> Make of those facts what you will.
>>
>> If you wish to dispute that, please post your reasons for believing that
>> either VS.NET or the .NET Framework should be blamed, since with
>> slower, older, systems than yours, there's no problem here.
>>
>>
>> Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
>> ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>> Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>> ======================================
>> "Scott M." <NoSpam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:%239uxktgyFHA.4032@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> What does that even mean? The machines I'm talking about are (as stated earlier in
>>> this thread) P4's/2GHz w/1GB RAM.
>>>
>>> I am fully aware that the process "should" take just a few seconds (I have been using
>>> .NET since early betas - 2001). I'm really not looking to find out how quickly it
>>> works for you. I'm trying to find out why it's taking so long for me and I'm telling
>>> you that the specs are not the issue.
>>>
>>> Thanks anyway.
>>> "Juan T. Llibre" <nomailreplies@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:uLvplngyFHA.460@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Maybe your "brand new machines with beefy specs"
>>>> have "beefy specs" but not enough performance ?
>>>>
>>>> My main development machine has a lowly P4 2.0 Ghz processor
>>>> and 512 MB ram, and is a clone built by myself (not a brand-name),
>>>> yet creating a web application with VS 2005 takes about 10 seconds.
>>>>
>>>> With VS 2003 it took about the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
>>>> ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>>> Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>>> ======================================
>>>> "Scott M." <NoSpam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:untA2HgyFHA.720@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> This isn't just one machine, this is happening on all of our corporate workstations.
>>>>> As I stated, these are brand new machines with beefy specs.
>>>>
>>>>> The machines are fast at everything they do, it's just that creating the web
>>>>> application takes exceptionally long. Once the application is made, everything
>>>>> sails.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Juan T. Llibre" <nomailreplies@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>> news:u%23X1oOfyFHA.3320@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Is your hard drive in good condition ?
>>>>>> Run a hard drive integrity check.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
>>>>>> ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>>>>> Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>>>>> ======================================
>>>>>> "Scott M." <s-mar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:7D243DD0-F75F-4BD0-84F4-04BC35B7FEB5@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>I have. No effect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "WJ" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Try disable Norton Anti-Virus software or any AV if you have them running.
>>>>>>>> These stuffs are nothing but a nuisance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Scott M." <NoSpam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:em8QQ4UyFHA.3000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> > Can anyone give me any ideas on why VS.NET 2003 running on XP Pro. (P4's
>>>>>>>> > with 1GB RAM) would take over 3 minutes to simply create a new ASP.NET Web
>>>>>>>> > Application on http://localhost?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > It seems that the IIS directory gets created right away, but it is not
>>>>>>>> > configured as an application directory until several minutes go by.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Scott M.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
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