Re: There has to be a better way to develop web applications.


While you're at it, suggest that Microsoft should do away
with the W3C ( which is the standards body for HTML,
XHTML, CSS, and a host of other web "standards" ).

Then, Microsoft should do away with whomever
it is that controls Javascript standards, so Microsoft
can replace Javascript, HTML, XHTML, CSS with
a Microsoft-created unified system to be called
CLD - Common Language Development and with
CLF - Common Language Framework

How soon would the Justice Dept. breathe
on Microsoft's neck for attempting to do that ?

Maybe you should give this a bit more thought...




Juan T. Llibre
ASP.NET MVP
http://asp.net.do/foros/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español
Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
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"Rob R. Ainscough" <robains@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:edRUWh0hFHA.3064@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> If you understood what I was saying, you'd realize it is not a bitch session.
>
> Yes, do away with HTML, XHTML, JavaScript, CSS and make it --
>
> CLD - Common Language Development, CLF - Common Language Framework
>
> If a huge base of HTML, XHTML, JavaScript, CSS code needs to be ported, build a very
> good migration tool that will generate CLD (and do it right).
>
> Make CLD syntatically easy to follow/read and provide an rich intelligent IDE
> environment that has markers that work beyond a single module, provide more
> sophisticated lookup linking, improve help link system and provide MUCH more real world
> code samples in the help system. Provide managed and unmanaged connection options,
> provide a real debugger (similar in power to VB6 debugger). Just make life easier for
> the developer so we can get more done, higher quality, and in less time.
>
> That would be a start -- something .NET should have been but failed. And don't start on
> "cross-platform" -- make that come later as "needed" (if needed at all)? I mean that is
> the way it stands right now, you don't see many folks doing ASP.NET with .NET Framework
> development on Unix servers. This is not a debate about which is better, it is a reality
> of the situation. Don't build an enormous amount of cross-platform
> compatibility/flexibilty that is going to be used by <2% of dev community.
>
> Rob.
>
> Rob.
>
>
> "Juan T. Llibre" <nomailreplies@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:uuWLbB0hFHA.3692@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> re:
>>>I don't know, don't care
>>
>> Yup, that sums up your stance.
>>
>> You are confirming that you'd rather complain,
>> than work towards getting a better product.
>>
>> Do you have *anything* positive to offer ?
>> Like, maybe, a suggestion or two ?
>>
>> Or, as is apparent, do you prefer to bitch
>> without offering any suggestions for improvement ?
>>
>> You don't offer any alternatives,
>> and you don't offer any suggestions for improvement.
>>
>> You just bitch. That doesn't get us anywhere.
>>
>>
>>
>> Juan T. Llibre
>> ASP.NET MVP
>> http://asp.net.do/foros/
>> Foros de ASP.NET en Español
>> Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
>> ======================
>>
>> "Rob R. Ainscough" <robains@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:%23W4uJkzhFHA.4048@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Why are you intent on comparisons? I'm not, so why are you? Who does it better, I
>>> don't know, don't care -- I just want the insanity of language of the day to be over
>>> so we can concentrate on design and produce results and less of "oh yeah, can't do
>>> that with ASP.NET so ya have to do some JavaScript and do a little HTML setup work
>>> and...".
>>>
>>> So I take it you agree with the obvious problem in efficiency? yes or no?
>>>
>>> Against choice? You on planet earth -- this ain't the business of pic your favorite
>>> iPod color -- stay within context.
>>>
>>> You sound like a Microsoft troll -- get over your loyality already.
>>
>>> "Juan T. Llibre" <nomailreplies@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:OMD884yhFHA.1044@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> re:
>>>>> listing 90 languages on my resume
>>>>
>>>> I see you're against choice.
>>>>
>>>> Do you understand the difference between
>>>> *choice* of languages and learning all of them ?
>>>>
>>>> re:
>>>>> MS have the resources, not I -- and we should be there by now
>>>>
>>>> OK, if not MS, then who ? Who is doing a better job than MS ?
>>>> Who is "there by now" ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Juan T. Llibre
>>>> ASP.NET MVP
>>>> http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>>> Foros de ASP.NET en Español
>>>> Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
>>>> ======================
>>>>
>>>> "Rob R. Ainscough" <robains@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:OjAH9xyhFHA.2904@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>
>>>>> Because, learning the language of the day to accomplish the same tasks over and over
>>>>> is NOT efficient -- that's why. Like I said, listing 90 languages on my resume is
>>>>> more of an embarrassment than an accomplishment. The concepts don't change, only
>>>>> the syntax and all the restrictions and limitations that go with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> MS have the resources, not I -- and we should be there by now -- but as it stands
>>>>> today, we're a good 5-10 years away.
>>>>>
>>>>> No one is forcing you to post a response -- so what is your point?? So what is your
>>>>> point? Don't complain, don't make waves, just accept it -- is that how you
>>>>> think -- be a sheep, baaa baaa baaa
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob.
>>>>
>>>>> "Mark Rae" <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ucDDkUyhFHA.4000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> "Rob R. Ainscough" <robains@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uwEe2LxhFHA.328@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There has got to be a better way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So why don't you develop it, smart-arse, instead of whinging because you're having
>>>>>> to do some learning...?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No-one's forcing you to use .NET.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No-one's forcing you to write a single line of code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No-one's forcing you even to own a PC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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