Re: There has to be a better way to develop web applications.

Your objections are acknowledged.

What do you suggest as an alternate platform ?



Juan T. Llibre
ASP.NET MVP
http://asp.net.do/foros/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español
Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
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"Rob R. Ainscough" <robains@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Juan,
>
> That is good, but think about what your just pointed out. 97% of the listed languages
> are used by <2% of the dev community -- flexible yes, but important to RAD (rapid
> application development), no.
>
> I have no problem with "Change", I do have a problem of change for the sake of change OR
> change to benefit the few but penalizes the majority. I do find it funny you point out
> a list of supported languages, some VERY archaic that can now be used with .NET. Your
> sending a confusing message.
>
> I don't care that I would need to learn A new language (as in one), but it does me NO
> good to learned several new languages all of which are simply different syntaxs (or
> exist to bridge the gap) that are ultimately used to turn concepts into reality. All
> languages ultimately do the same thing and people argue for days that language X is
> better than language Y, but the reality is most good developers just want the best tool
> available that is easiest to translate spec into code into reality -- as a developer, I
> don't mind learning a new language, just make sure that is it -- businesses can't afford
> to keep sending developers off to learn the lastest fad language which will go out of
> "favor" in a few years for the next "fad" language. Sure it maybe a money making scheme
> for Microsoft, but it doesn't do the business world any good. I mean, I see resumes all
> the time with a list of 90 languages long and someone is "proud" of that fact -- think
> about it, it is really a pretty sad state of affairs.
>
> Rob.
>
> "Juan T. Llibre" <nomailreplies@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:OibOqGyhFHA.2424@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> re:
>>> if you elect to use .NET Framework and ASP.NET your bound to MS server OS.
>>
>> Rob, take a look at :
>>
>> http://www.dotnetpowered.com/languages.aspx
>> for a list of the languages/OS's which you can use with .Net.
>>
>> You may have to reconsider your statement
>> quoted above after you see that page.
>>
>> Sure, the learning curve is steep, but it's no more
>> steep than any other web platform's learning curve.
>>
>> Progress demands fast change.
>>
>> Complaining about the pace of change won't get you anywhere,
>> except to the place where archaic stuff is archived.
>>
>> In any case, what do you suggest as an alternative ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Juan T. Llibre
>> ASP.NET MVP
>> http://asp.net.do/foros/
>> Foros de ASP.NET en Español
>> Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
>> ======================
>>
>> "Rob R. Ainscough" <robains@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:uwEe2LxhFHA.328@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>I realize I'm learning web development and there is a STEEP learning curve, but so far
>>>I've had to learn:
>>>
>>> HTML
>>> XML
>>> JavaScript
>>> ASP.NET using VB.NET
>>> .NET Framework
>>> ADO.NET
>>> SSL
>>> FormAuthentication
>>> (and probably a few more things)
>>>
>>> Now call me crazy, but this hog pog of languages & technologies is ridiculous!! The
>>> simplest of tasks become major R&D efforts (setting the enable state of a control on
>>> another ASPX page in a frame for example). And XML, OMG that has got to be the most
>>> ineffecient way to write out data I've ever seen -- the overhead is staggering!! So
>>> far the research I've seen are "frames are evil" -- great so freakin' helpful. This
>>> is just crazy, if the development community has to continue on in this bizarre
>>> environment of languages and technology, then web application development is never
>>> going to mature and become cost effective for companies to exploit.
>>>
>>> This is NOT an efficient way to get work done -- just the cost to get developers up to
>>> speed on all the technology can doom a project from the start. The pipe dream of
>>> using ASP.NET with VB.NET and .NET framework ONLY for web development is just that --
>>> a pipe dream, for only the simplest of applications could anyone get away with just
>>> those three technology/tools.
>>>
>>> I just don't understand -- terms such as portability get tossed around, but the bottom
>>> line is, if you elect to use .NET Framework and ASP.NET your bound to MS server OS.
>>> And, if this is all done in the name of "portability" (at the cost of performance) how
>>> often are you folks moving servers around and changing platforms?? If platforms are
>>> changing that frequently, that begs the question why?! It's like building something
>>> for 5% that may need it while the majority don't -- so the majority have to take the
>>> penalty. There has got to be a better way?
>>>
>>> Rob.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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