Re: ViewState vs Session

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Forgive the *** kissing, but for whats it is worth I agree with everything
you have just said, but don't let the others know cos they'll probably give
me a mauling too.
Oh what the heck ....I don't care!


"Kevin Spencer" <kevin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uadk0l%23dFHA.1660@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Welll, Wilbur, not only are you entitled to your opinion, as am I, but as
> we all know, everybody has one. Apparently you think yours is
> better-smelling than mine.
>
> Personally, from working with other developers over quite a number of
> years, and after having had to clean up after entirely too many of them,
> who manage to make something "work" (sort of) long enough to move on to
> something else, get fired, or laterally-promoted, and being a lover of the
> art/science of programming, I suppose I have become a bit cranky. But
> perhaps you're just a hobbyist who works all by himself, just for the fun
> of it, and you haven't experienced the nightmarish scenarios that I have.
> Perhaps you're not paid for your work, or simply don't feel any
> responsibility to your employer, who has to pay for all the extra work
> hours cause by lazy, inept, or unethical developers whose work has to be
> re-done by competent and diligent developers, who take twice as long to
> rewrite the software, partially because the original is such a tangled
> mess of disorder and chaos.
>
> But I just can't live with myself if I waste someone else's money, and I
> don't believe that anyone should. Underneath it all, programming is
> mathematical in nature, and math hates inelegance. So do I. So sue me. I'm
> used to it.
>
> --
> HTH,
>
> Kevin Spencer
> Microsoft MVP
> .Net Developer
> Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.
>
> "Wilbur Slice" <pa@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:oqkjb19hqko82hf045ajf96rkv1mcc6m8i@xxxxxxxxxx
>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:24:21 -0400, "Kevin Spencer"
>> <kevin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>> Whatsamatter, Kevin, get up on the wrong side of the bed today? Wife
>>>> leave you? IRS audit? What?
>>>
>>>Not at all. Programming is a serious discipline, and an exact science.
>>
>> Uhhh... no it's not. I suppose it *can* be, under certain
>> circumstances. Like, maybe writing the code that runs the Space
>> Shuttle or controls a heart defibrillator. But 95% of the time it's
>> more of an art form, and is often not serious at all.
>>
>>
>>> It
>>>requires much and continuous study and hard work to be successful at.
>>
>> Speak for yourself. It's okay that you find it so difficult, but some
>> of us don't. Sure, there's a lot to know, and there's always more to
>> learn, but I think you're over-dramatizing the "hard work" and
>> "continuous study". I find it to be a lighter endeavor than that, and
>> I've been successful at it for almost 30 years now.
>>
>>> There
>>>are no short-cuts.
>>
>> Sure there are. Lots of them. Usenet newsgroups, for example.
>>
>>> The first poster obviously had no idea what ASP was (was
>>>talking about "on Normal HTML tags, I can do the following"),
>>
>> I realize that you didn't understand what he meant. But I did.
>>
>>> and was now
>>>attempting to delve into the complex object-oriented real-word
>>>programming
>>>discipline of ASP.Nedt.
>>
>> There's that over-dramtization again. Lighten up.
>>
>>> I told him what he needed to hear, that one should
>>>not fool around with such technologies, but should undertake the
>>>discipline
>>>and work necessary to be successful in them.
>>
>> Utter nonsense. I say - welcome to all who want to try programming,
>> in any language and using any tools. More power to them. Let them
>> indulge in it very seriously, or frivolously or anywhere in between.
>> For fun, or for profit. For a hobby, of for a career. Whatever.
>>
>> And I thought MVP's were supposed to be here to help.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>The second person began by stating that he knew the "technical
>>>differences"
>>>between Session and ViewState. In order to know the technical differences
>>>between them, one must know the technical details of each. If that is so,
>>>one knows which one to use, when to use it, and how to use it. I'm not
>>>sure
>>>what he was trying to imply, but it was unnecessary and false. Since
>>>programming involves a relentless logic, I used logic to illustrate the
>>>point.
>>
>>
>> <yawn> Jeeze... lighten up. All you really did was snap out a
>> cranky and discouraging snide posting.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Now I realize that telling people the hard truths of life is not a
>>>pleasant
>>>task, but as my Uncle Chutney sez, "if the truth hurts, wear it." What
>>>this
>>>means is that the sweetest of lies is more bitter than the most bitter of
>>>truths. Somebody has to care more about the person they are communicating
>>>with than their own reputation and/or comfort level, and be willing to
>>>endure scorn and criticism for doing so. How can one claim to be helpful
>>>if
>>>one is not willing to give the bitter medicine that heals, rather than
>>>the
>>>tasty placebo that allows the patient to continue in sickness, while
>>>loving
>>>the doctor who has given them a clean bill of health?
>>
>>
>> Jeeeeeze....
>>
>>
>>>
>>>If you read the majority of my messages, you will see that I bend over
>>>backwards to help those who are at all willing to help themselves. Since
>>>your question is not of a confrontational and accusatory nature, that
>>>includes yourself, and your question! I hope that my explanation has been
>>>satisfactory in doing so.
>>
>> No. Not satisfacory at all. I still think your cranky diatribes were
>> uncalled for and unnecessarily discouraging. And I think they were
>> unbecoming of an MVP. If you have nothing helpful to say, then why
>> not just let it pass and remain silent. Maybe someone else could
>> actually *help* the person looking for a little aid.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>And now, back to my diet of locusts and wild honey.....
>>
>
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