Re: Is MCAD.NET cert based on VS2003 still worth to take?

But it sure is nice to have if you don't have much experience on your
resume'. It seems like a fact of life that you will need it to get past the
HR person that recieves hundreds of different applications.

"Shawn B." wrote:

> Much agreed.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Shawn
>
>
> "Kevin Spencer" <kspencer@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:uzsVLWrwEHA.1512@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Hi Shawn,
> >
> > I hope you didn't consider my post to indicate that I would count
> > certificates AGAINST anyone. I just don't count them at all. Microsoft
> > consultants, for example, are encouraged to get as many certificates as
> they
> > can, and for obvious reasons, as they work for all kinds of companies,
> some
> > of them quite large and beaurocratic. Having a certificate could not
> > logically be held against anyone; it certainly shows no lack of character.
> > However, neither is it an accurate indicator of the person's programming
> > ability. Their code certainly IS.
> >
> > --
> > HTH,
> > Kevin Spencer
> > .Net Developer
> > Microsoft MVP
> > I get paid good money to
> > solve puzzles for a living
> >
> > "Shawn B." <leabre@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:uWd#IuqwEHA.2192@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > I'm a senior developer writing the accounting system for an insurance
> > > software company, and have been a senior developer for other enterprises
> > in
> > > the past. I am quite intimate with .NET / ASP.NET / C++ and the VB6 COM
> > > world, know how to design software very well that scales, performs, easy
> > to
> > > maintain, and maximizes code-reuse. I don't have a college degree nor
> do
> > I
> > > have any certifications but I do have 8 years of professional experience
> > and
> > > 15 years total of programming experience. However, I am working on my
> > MCSD
> > > right now not so much for future employment (I'm currently employed and
> > > happy) but as an educational tool, more or less. I am very familiar
> with
> > > most of the content required by the MCSD and have the experience to back
> > it
> > > up, but some of the "finer" points I've picked up from studying for the
> > exam
> > > and the exam forces you to have to formalize your knowledge of the
> > material
> > > covered.
> > >
> > > I can agree with the sentiment that certifications prove nothing and
> that
> > > code speaks louder than words. I've had my share of cleaning up
> horrible
> > > code from other people (and my own, I haven't always been perfect and
> > still
> > > am not) and having to teach people from India and Pakistan who have
> > multiple
> > > masters degrees in computer science math and physics that don't know how
> > to
> > > debug a C# application or a VB6 component, so we can argue that
> education
> > > isn't everything either. I've worked with others who are "self-taught"
> > who
> > > make for headaches on the team and those who are excellent performers.
> > You
> > > just can't know until you meet the person and probe them in an interview
> > for
> > > thier abilities and their problem solving skills.
> > >
> > > But to hold a bias AGAINST people who have a certification isn't a good
> > > thing, it really cheats the a person who may be fully-qualified for the
> > > position and the company. I would hate to think that because I took the
> > > time to earn a certification in a field that I'm very well experienced
> and
> > > competent in would actually deny me a position somewhere because of an
> > > overly zealous bias, as well as I would hate to think that I got the job
> > > only because of the certification. But I know how the world works and
> > that
> > > there is a hard sentiment against certification holders but personally,
> I
> > > don't think they indicate one way or the next what the person is capable
> > of,
> > > and should be treated as such.
> > >
> > > Some people get them for an easy oppurtunity, others like myself get
> them
> > to
> > > help reinforce what I already know from experience and extensive trial
> and
> > > error. Why should I be denied employment because of it?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Shawn
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Kevin Spencer" <kspencer@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:elvhXVQwEHA.2316@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > I am a team leader and Senior Application Developer for my company. I
> > > > participate in the hiring process. I couldn't care less about the
> > > > certificates that prospective employees have. A certificate proves
> only
> > > that
> > > > one can cram for and pass an exam. As a programmer, I've never had to
> > take
> > > > an exam in order to create an application. Therefore, the ability to
> > take
> > > > exams is not a requirement for software developers. Writing solid code
> > is.
> > > > So, if you want to work for me, you've got to show me the money (i.e.
> > > code).
> > > > On the other hand, if you want to work for a beaurocratic dinosaur,
> get
> > as
> > > > many certificates as you can, and best of luck to you.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > HTH,
> > > > Kevin Spencer
> > > > .Net Developer
> > > > Microsoft MVP
> > > > I get paid good money to
> > > > solve puzzles for a living
> > > >
> > > > "andy lim" <admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > news:eKfkwDPwEHA.4048@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > > i developed several ASP.NET web application with VS2003.
> > > > > i'm preparing myself to take an exam on the path to MCAD.NET.
> > > > > then, the VS2005/.NET framework 2.0 (beta) came in to my hand. after
> i
> > > > > played around for some time with it, i found that VS2005/.NET 2.0
> > > includes
> > > > > so many built-in functionalities that we need to built from scratch
> > with
> > > > > VS2003. for example: user authorization/authentication, datagrid
> > > > > formatting/sorting/paging etc.
> > > > > the bottom line is: developing with VS2005/.NET 2.0 can makes my
> > > > development
> > > > > life much easier than using VS2003/.NET 1.1
> > > > >
> > > > > can someone tell me, is it still worth my effort and time to take
> that
> > > > > expensive certification exam, if it would only 2 years or so to
> become
> > > > > obsolete? or, should i better wait till Microsoft officially
> replaced
> > > all
> > > > > MCAD.NET to conform with its new release (in VS2005/.NET 2.0)?
> > > > >
> > > > > i really feels like i'm on a crossroad here, and need some insights
> > from
> > > > you
> > > > > all...
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks in advance,
> > > > > andy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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