Re: Is MCAD.NET cert based on VS2003 still worth to take?
From: Shawn B. (leabre_at_html.com)
Date: 11/04/04
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:11:41 -0800
Much agreed.
Thanks,
Shawn
"Kevin Spencer" <kspencer@takempis.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Shawn,
>
> I hope you didn't consider my post to indicate that I would count
> certificates AGAINST anyone. I just don't count them at all. Microsoft
> consultants, for example, are encouraged to get as many certificates as
they
> can, and for obvious reasons, as they work for all kinds of companies,
some
> of them quite large and beaurocratic. Having a certificate could not
> logically be held against anyone; it certainly shows no lack of character.
> However, neither is it an accurate indicator of the person's programming
> ability. Their code certainly IS.
>
> --
> HTH,
> Kevin Spencer
> .Net Developer
> Microsoft MVP
> I get paid good money to
> solve puzzles for a living
>
> "Shawn B." <leabre@html.com> wrote in message
> news:uWd#IuqwEHA.2192@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > I'm a senior developer writing the accounting system for an insurance
> > software company, and have been a senior developer for other enterprises
> in
> > the past. I am quite intimate with .NET / ASP.NET / C++ and the VB6 COM
> > world, know how to design software very well that scales, performs, easy
> to
> > maintain, and maximizes code-reuse. I don't have a college degree nor
do
> I
> > have any certifications but I do have 8 years of professional experience
> and
> > 15 years total of programming experience. However, I am working on my
> MCSD
> > right now not so much for future employment (I'm currently employed and
> > happy) but as an educational tool, more or less. I am very familiar
with
> > most of the content required by the MCSD and have the experience to back
> it
> > up, but some of the "finer" points I've picked up from studying for the
> exam
> > and the exam forces you to have to formalize your knowledge of the
> material
> > covered.
> >
> > I can agree with the sentiment that certifications prove nothing and
that
> > code speaks louder than words. I've had my share of cleaning up
horrible
> > code from other people (and my own, I haven't always been perfect and
> still
> > am not) and having to teach people from India and Pakistan who have
> multiple
> > masters degrees in computer science math and physics that don't know how
> to
> > debug a C# application or a VB6 component, so we can argue that
education
> > isn't everything either. I've worked with others who are "self-taught"
> who
> > make for headaches on the team and those who are excellent performers.
> You
> > just can't know until you meet the person and probe them in an interview
> for
> > thier abilities and their problem solving skills.
> >
> > But to hold a bias AGAINST people who have a certification isn't a good
> > thing, it really cheats the a person who may be fully-qualified for the
> > position and the company. I would hate to think that because I took the
> > time to earn a certification in a field that I'm very well experienced
and
> > competent in would actually deny me a position somewhere because of an
> > overly zealous bias, as well as I would hate to think that I got the job
> > only because of the certification. But I know how the world works and
> that
> > there is a hard sentiment against certification holders but personally,
I
> > don't think they indicate one way or the next what the person is capable
> of,
> > and should be treated as such.
> >
> > Some people get them for an easy oppurtunity, others like myself get
them
> to
> > help reinforce what I already know from experience and extensive trial
and
> > error. Why should I be denied employment because of it?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Shawn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Kevin Spencer" <kspencer@takempis.com> wrote in message
> > news:elvhXVQwEHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > > I am a team leader and Senior Application Developer for my company. I
> > > participate in the hiring process. I couldn't care less about the
> > > certificates that prospective employees have. A certificate proves
only
> > that
> > > one can cram for and pass an exam. As a programmer, I've never had to
> take
> > > an exam in order to create an application. Therefore, the ability to
> take
> > > exams is not a requirement for software developers. Writing solid code
> is.
> > > So, if you want to work for me, you've got to show me the money (i.e.
> > code).
> > > On the other hand, if you want to work for a beaurocratic dinosaur,
get
> as
> > > many certificates as you can, and best of luck to you.
> > >
> > > --
> > > HTH,
> > > Kevin Spencer
> > > .Net Developer
> > > Microsoft MVP
> > > I get paid good money to
> > > solve puzzles for a living
> > >
> > > "andy lim" <admin@infoteknika.com> wrote in message
> > > news:eKfkwDPwEHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > > > hello all,
> > > >
> > > > i developed several ASP.NET web application with VS2003.
> > > > i'm preparing myself to take an exam on the path to MCAD.NET.
> > > > then, the VS2005/.NET framework 2.0 (beta) came in to my hand. after
i
> > > > played around for some time with it, i found that VS2005/.NET 2.0
> > includes
> > > > so many built-in functionalities that we need to built from scratch
> with
> > > > VS2003. for example: user authorization/authentication, datagrid
> > > > formatting/sorting/paging etc.
> > > > the bottom line is: developing with VS2005/.NET 2.0 can makes my
> > > development
> > > > life much easier than using VS2003/.NET 1.1
> > > >
> > > > can someone tell me, is it still worth my effort and time to take
that
> > > > expensive certification exam, if it would only 2 years or so to
become
> > > > obsolete? or, should i better wait till Microsoft officially
replaced
> > all
> > > > MCAD.NET to conform with its new release (in VS2005/.NET 2.0)?
> > > >
> > > > i really feels like i'm on a crossroad here, and need some insights
> from
> > > you
> > > > all...
> > > >
> > > > thanks in advance,
> > > > andy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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