Re: Two Ways To Identify An Idiot Web Developer

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From: John Haynes (john.haynes2.urhead_at_frumurass.acsalaska.net)
Date: 05/01/04 

Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 08:00:16 -0700

Unemployed, disgruntled???

The fact that you posted in the first place was a bit absurd but acceptable,
however, the subsequent posts reveal that you are either extremely petty or
are jealous that an "idiot" developer would be getting work while you are
unemployed.

Now as for "Computer Science" tell me one thing in ASP.NET/Web development
that has an association with Computer Science. Last I checked ASP.NET and
web-dev is more along the lines of Business Systems Analyst/Development. Are
you rewriting compressions algorithms? Are you writing compilers? Are you
writing your own distributions of Linux OS? I think not? That is called
computer science! Computer Scientists are the architects that build the
legos that us developers use to put applications together. It appears to me
that your last 20 years have been spent as an elementary school English
grammar teacher. Your lucky you didn't post this tripe on Slashdot.

Perhaps you should work to improve the quality of your own work and not be
concerned with the quality of others. There can't be a reason that everyone
else is so "Wrong" and your so "Right"

Disgust,
John....

"clintonG" <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXT@metromilwaukee.com> wrote in message
news:%23ei7H%234LEHA.3712@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Your concluding rationale is exactly what the point is. Those failing to
> use the inherent capability of the file system to sort resources which by
> default also groups similarly named resources together are not
> effectively fulfilling the client's needs.
>
> For at least the 20 years I have been introduced to and involved
> with Computer Science the methodology has been noun-verb
> grammar. The subject of the sentence must be included and in
> its proper place or the sentence is considered to be malformed
> or a fragment and thus incoherent. In this context what we see
> is a complete abscence of title text or an adjective-noun grammar
> of the type 'title text - personal identifier.'
>
> The only cogent argument I have heard suggested the reason people
> use converse file naming in this context 'title text - personal
identifier'
> is due to the fact that the Windows menu used to recall a Favorite
> only allows a fixed number of characters to be displayed when one is
> attempting to retrieve a Favorite. Thus, the rationale suggests that
> 'title text - personal identifier' makes reading the title text easier as
> the
> arguement presumes to suggest that doing so displays more meaningful
> text. Fallacious assumption if you ask me.
>
> In all fallacies there is a basis of fact followed by an illogical
> conclusion
> and while I do find the 'readable Favorites' arguement alluring it still
> obviates the objective of fulfilling the client's needs because it breaks
> the
> file system's inherent function to sort and group file resources.
>
> If people wanted to create title text correctly they would adopt the
> 'personal identifier - title text' convention. If consideration is to be
> given to the fixed number of characters displayed by a Windows
> menu, the personal identifier could and perhaps should be a form
> of something akin to Hungarian notation or an acronym or other short
> personal identifier. If brevity is needed so as to avoid imposing what may
> be an inordinate number of characters in the recalled Favorite there is no
> need to remind the client that they are attempting to retrieve a Favorite
> from
> 'My Overtly Lengthy Corporate Brand Name Inc.' other than that need
> that is imposed by marketing idiots.
>
> The Windows OS persists tool tip text when retrieving a Favorite using
> the Windows OS menu. Unlike the tool tips displayed in a browser those
> displayed by the OS persist and will remain displayed until a new event
> takes
> precedence.
>
> If the client really needs a long and winded corporate brand as contextual
> information he or she can observe 'branding' by reading the tool tip where
> the domain name is displayed. Maybe its also time for those developing
> Longhorn to consider this user interface issue and perhaps include the
> ability
> of reading meta data from the file that can be used to provide a better
> description of resources stored on the file system.
>
> Finally, what seems to be missing (other than common sense surrounding
> this issue) is that we as users attempting to retrieve Favorites do so
> needing contextual reminders. Those reminders are the personal and
> perceptual identifiers such that I or you could easily recall and
associate
> the
> specific resource with its source of origination from whom we have
> established a sense of reliability and credibility regarding the actual
> content we are hoping to retrieve.
>
> Many analogies can be useful but one of speaking on the telephone
> seems to be very apt. For example, when calling somebody we are
> taught to say 'hello' followed by 'this is so and so' followed by 'I
> am calling about.' This is classic 'personal identifier - title text'
> structure
> and it has been adopted as convention for good reason.
>
> Surely when retrieving a Favorite regarding for example subject matter
> about ASP.NET security you would prefer to return to the page(s) that
> were crafted by someone whose writing and documentation has already
> been perceptually established in your mind as that which you find credible
> and well done? In the tactile environment we have turned corners, coffee
> stains on paper, written notation and other artifacts to remind us. In the
> virtual world we have descriptive text and the file system. Hello?
>
> To be a tad abstract here I am saying the base class for perceptual human
> understanding is that which has members that establsih precedence and
order.
>
> The 'title text - personal identifier' structure breaks the file system
and
> it
> convolutes human understanding. I also have examples of this in another
> context related to accessibility and screen readers which is another
> subject but directly related to the way convention and usage are
understood
> to be useful and desireable objectives if in fact fulfilling the client's
> needs
> is our primary objective.
>
> The whole notion of the semantic web relies on this type of common
> sense and practical thinking. I hope taking my time to argue the merits
> helps others understand. While I can stand the scrutiny of argument to
> ignore or dismiss the argument all together suggests there is a 3rd way to
> identify an idiot web developer.
>
> --
> <%= Clinton Gallagher
> A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development
> Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA
> NET csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com
> URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "David Jessee" <djessee@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:uaqvE$0LEHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Man, that's just being petty.
> >
> > ...and for the record (many people would do well to remember this),
there
> is
> > no "correct" convention for anything. All that matters is (1) You're
> > consistent and (2) you effectively communicate the information. The
RIGHT
> > way (whether its naming conventions, development methodologies or
> > application frameworks/architectures) is the way that lets you
effectively
> > fulfill the client's needs.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "clintonG" <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXT@metromilwaukee.com> wrote in
> message
> > news:ePIYZ%23uLEHA.2932@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > I can't tell you how frustrated I get when going to a web developer's
> > > website and observing he or she is an idiot that has not grasped
> > > the most fundamental element of usability: page title naming
> conventions.
> > >
> > > 1.) You know you are at an idiot's website when there is no page
title.
> > > Listen up idiot. Give every page a name using the HTML <title>
element.
> > >
> > > 2.) When naming your page do not put the name of your website or your
> > > company 'after' the page title text. The name of your website or your
> > > company name should be placed 'before' the page title text. Assuming
> > > the idiot has at least provided a page title consider...
> > >
> > > Incorrect Page Title Naming Convention:
> > > I Am An Idiot And Here's The Proof - IdiotWebDeveloper.com
> > >
> > > Correct: Page Title Naming Convention:
> > > Smart Web Developer - How to Avoid Being Identified As An Idiot
> > >
> > > The correct page title naming convention is correct as it provides a
> > > meaningful description of the contents of the page and the order of
the
> > > page title text 'after' the developer's website or company name allows
> > > the developer's pages to be sorted as a group when saved as a
Favorite.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > <%= Clinton Gallagher
> > > A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development
> > > Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA
> > > NET csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com
> > > URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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