Re: MS_POSITIONING="flowlayout"

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From: Scott M. (s-mar_at_nospam.nospam)
Date: 11/24/04 

Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:11:43 -0500

Hi Dan,

Frankly, this thread is somewhat of an aberration. It's not really as big
of a deal as it may sound (the positioning "debate", I mean). Once you tell
a former Windows developer (everyone of them except Alvin, that is) why it's
not good to use GridLayout, they understand, use FlowLayout and move on.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment that HTML developers are hesitant
to go to ASP.NET because of the perfectly clean, lightweight code. HTML can
only do so much and then you need server-side programmatic abilities.
Classic ASP gave us that, but it was anything but clean. It used scripting
(not compiled code, limited data typing, limited OO, didn't scale well,
etc.) languages, rather than compiled languages to get the job done.

I was very eager to go to ASP.NET (nearly 4 years ago now for me), but there
was a learning curve involved even though I was a Classic ASP and VB 6.0
guy. I didn't fully "get it" as to what .NET was and how it meant changing
the way I programmed. The actual coding came easy but, it took me about 6
months of using it before the light bulb went on and I understood what I was
doing and why it was so much better than what we had before.

I strongly encourage you to "dive in", but be prepared to re-think some of
what you took for granted in the "old days".

Good luck!

Scott

"Dan C" <Dan C@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B3305127-27FF-4566-B67C-FADD6861253C@microsoft.com...
> This whole conversation underscores the challenges that Visual Studio's
> ASP.NET development environment presents to both the classic Windows
> developers and to us HTML-rooted scripting developers. Classic Windows
> developers will lean toward the grid layout and have to learn the
> associated
> pitfalls the hard way. I can't imagine how one could learn proper HTML or
> CSS
> techniques using Visual Studio. HTML developers are hesitant to make the
> move
> to ASP.NET at all, because it's hard to let go of our perfectly clean,
> lightweight HTML code.
>
> That said, I would like to hear from Scott on this. I'm a classic ASP guy
> who needs to make the move, and it sounds like you've done it!
>
> dan.clem@dakotadan.com
>
>
> "Alvin Bruney [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> > Perhaps, then, you'd be willing to accept my explanation, which stems
>> > from
>> > interaction with students: that there is definitely a sizable
>> > percentage
>> > of Windows application developers learning ASP.NET with no Web
>> > background
>> > aren't even aware of FlowLayout?
>> I'd be willing to accept that.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Alvin Bruney
>> [ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx]
>> Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok
>> "Scott Mitchell [MVP]" <mitchell@4guysfromrolla.com> wrote in message
>> news:U3Uld.8867$zx1.6931@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>> > Alvin Bruney [MVP] wrote:
>> >> I wouldn't be willing to hazard a guess at this point because I don't
>> >> teach a class so I have no way of probing the reasons for their
>> >> decision.
>> >
>> > Perhaps, then, you'd be willing to accept my explanation, which stems
>> > from
>> > interaction with students: that there is definitely a sizable
>> > percentage
>> > of Windows application developers learning ASP.NET with no Web
>> > background
>> > aren't even aware of FlowLayout?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Scott Mitchell
>> > mitchell@4guysfromrolla.com
>> > http://www.4GuysFromRolla.com
>> >
>> > * When you think ASP.NET, think 4GuysFromRolla.com!
>>
>>
>>

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