Re: Server Control Deployment and Client Scripts?

From: Jim Cheshire [MSFT] (jamesche_at_online.microsoft.com)
Date: 04/08/04 

Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:29:29 GMT

I'd say it's a bad idea only because you will run into issues if crossing
application boundaries. I can't think of any other problems with it.

Jim Cheshire, MCSE, MCSD [MSFT]
ASP.NET
Developer Support
jamesche@online.microsoft.com

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>From: "Jiho Han" <jiho.han@infinityinfo.com>
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>Subject: Re: Server Control Deployment and Client Scripts?
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>Ok, I appreciate it though.
>
>One more question about aspnet_client folder usage here:
>
>Is aspnet_client folder meant only for "client" files, meaning, .js
scripts,
>.css, .htc, etc. and not for .aspx files?
>I may have a commonly used .aspx file that I am trying to figure where to
>deploy. Think of a lookup control, for example.
>It would look like a text box with a magnifying glass button next to it.
>Once you click on the button, a dialog would pop up with a list of items
>from which you can pick, and when you close the dialog, the value is
>returned to the control and the text value shown in the textbox. The
dialog
>then will have to, at least in my mind, be an .aspx page. Do you think
it'd
>be a bad practice to put .aspx - albeit not application-specific - into
>aspnet_client folder?
>
>Thanks
>Jiho
>
>"Jim Cheshire [MSFT]" <jamesche@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>> Hi Jiho,
>>
>> That's perfectly fine, and as Nikhil says, that's what you would want to
>do
>> so that you can ensure that your code runs against the correct version of
>> the client scripts.
>>
>> As far as your custom action is concerned, I cannot answer that. I don't
>> ever deal with Setup project issues. Hopefully someone here can assist
>> with that.
>>
>> Jim Cheshire, MCSE, MCSD [MSFT]
>> ASP.NET
>> Developer Support
>> jamesche@online.microsoft.com
>>
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>> >I see.
>> >The deployment method that I mentioned which is found in the server
>> controls
>> >book is exactly the approach you suggest.
>> >One would be creating a brand new folder structure underneath the
>> >aspnet_client folder without touching its system_web_ui subfolder at
all.
>> >
>> >i.e.
>> >
>> >under c:\inetput\wwwroot\,
>> >
>> >\aspnet_client
>> > \system_web_ui
>> > \1_0_0_0
>> > ...
>> > \myorg_web_ui
>> > \1_0_5_99
>> > \imgs
>> > button_on.gif
>> > button_off.gif
>> > \scripts
>> > button.js
>> >
>> >And that was what I was suggesting that the original poster do.
>> >
>> >Any news on my custom setup action question? :)
>> >Thanks
>> >
>> >Jiho
>> >
>> >"Jim Cheshire [MSFT]" <jamesche@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >news:C6w7M0xGEHA.612@cpmsftngxa06.phx.gbl...
>> >> Jiho,
>> >>
>> >> What I am cautioning against is changing the versions of the
>> client-script
>> >> files in the aspnet_client folder via your deployment. If you built
>your
>> >> control on a different version of the Framework and you want to ensure
>> >that
>> >> the correct version of the controls are added to the aspnet_client
>> folder,
>> >> that's fine, but any other change is a bad idea.
>> >>
>> >> In other words, adding new versions of the client files is fine.
>> Changing
>> >> those that are already there or removing ones already there is not.
>> >>
>> >> Jim Cheshire, MCSE, MCSD [MSFT]
>> >> ASP.NET
>> >> Developer Support
>> >> jamesche@online.microsoft.com
>> >>
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>> >> >Jim,
>> >> >
>> >> >Can you clarify on what you are cautioning against? Is it the
>> >modification
>> >> >of the structure of the aspnet_client folder structure? Other than
>> that,
>> >> >your associate Nikhil Kothari actually recommends that we do this in
>his
>> >> >book ASP.NET server controls and components. I'm a little confused
as
>> to
>> >> >why one MSFT employee would say one thing and the other would say
>> >another.
>> >> >
>> >> >How about the little question that I had on adding a custom dialog to
>> the
>> >> >S&D Project? Is this possible at all and can you provide some
>resources
>> >> for
>> >> >performing such customizations?
>> >> >Thanks much.
>> >> >
>> >> >Jiho
>> >> >
>> >> >"Jim Cheshire [MSFT]" <jamesche@online.microsoft.com> wrote in
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>> >> >> I would strongly caution anyone against doing this. The Framework
>> that
>> >> is
>> >> >> actually executing your ASP.NET application is expecting a certain
>> >> version
>> >> >> of these client-side scripts to be on the machine. When we update
>the
>> >> >> Framework, we also often provide updated implementation in these
>> files.
>> >> >If
>> >> >> you change the files on the box, you are going to cause problems
>most
>> >> >> likely.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> These may not be binary files, but updating them manually outside
of
>a
>> >> >.NET
>> >> >> Framework update is the same as updating a .NET Framework BCL
>assembly
>> >> >> manually. It simply should not ever be done.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jim Cheshire, MCSE, MCSD [MSFT]
>> >> >> ASP.NET
>> >> >> Developer Support
>> >> >> jamesche@online.microsoft.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This post is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties and confers no
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>> >> >>
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>> >> >> >From: "Jiho Han" <jiho.han@infinityinfo.com>
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>> >> >> >Barry,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I'm not quite sure what you're looking for. But I've been trying
>to
>> >do
>> >> a
>> >> >> >similar thing for the controls I built.
>> >> >> >I haven't tried this out myself yet but in Setup and Deployment
>> >project,
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> >can add a Custom Action that creates the folder structure.
>> >> >> >You will probably need to utilize their Textbox or other UI view
to
>> >> >gather
>> >> >> >which website - if you host multiple websites on a single machine
-
>> to
>> >> >> >install the controls on. Then you can pass the user response in a
>> >> >variable
>> >> >> >to the Custom Action. A Custom Action is basically a derived
class
>> of
>> >> >> >System.Configuration.Install.Installer.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Visual Studio.NET documentation has a section dedicated to the S&D
>> >> >projects
>> >> >> >and it's quite helpful.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I've actually been looking for information on how to add a custom
>> >dialog
>> >> >> box
>> >> >> >other than ones found in the S&D project and have found no such
>> >> >information
>> >> >> >so far.
>> >> >> >I'd appreciate some info on that if you ever come across it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Good luck.
>> >> >> >Jiho
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Barry Forrest" <barry.forrest@ps.net_remove> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:421EC06A-7659-4F73-92EC-4E18BC4B1D36@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> Jim,
>> >> >> >> Thanks for the response. Is there a tutorial you could point me
>to
>> >> >that
>> >> >> >illustrates what kind of package to use and what steps I need to
>take
>> >to
>> >> >> get
>> >> >> >the folder structure created?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thanks,
>> >> >> >> Barry
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ----- Jim Cheshire [MSFT] wrote: -----
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Barry,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The aspnet_client folder will always be located in the root
>of
>> >> the
>> >> >> >virtual
>> >> >> >> server. Inside of it, you will have a system_web folder
and
>> >then
>> >> >a
>> >> >> >folder
>> >> >> >> for each version of the client scripts on the machine.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Jim Cheshire, MCSE, MCSD [MSFT]
>> >> >> >> ASP.NET
>> >> >> >> Developer Support
>> >> >> >> jamesche@online.microsoft.com
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> This post is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties and
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>> no
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>> >> >> >> >>Help,
>> >> >> >> I've read interesting things in the book "Developing
>> >Microsoft®
>> >> >> >ASP.NET
>> >> >> >> Server Controls and Components". They mention using shared
>> >> client
>> >> >> >scripts
>> >> >> >> from the web server stored in
>> >> >> >> /aspnet_client/<assemblyName>/<assemblyVersion>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> My questions:
>> >> >> >> What type of Setup and Deployment project do I need to use?
>> >> >> >> How do I determine where the aspnet_client folder is
>located?
>> >> >> >> (Our servers have InetPub/wwwRoot on drives other than C:\)
>> >> >> >> How to I create the folder structure, especially with a
>> >> >dynamically
>> >> >> >> generated assemblyVersion?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Any help is appreciated.
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