Re: Question to the generals in this newsgroup including MSFT's

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I MEANT the MSDN Forums.

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"William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoSPAM@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:CC2B8EE7-5D27-4601-B88B-50A560DD13CC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I just fired up the newsgroups (should be FORUMS) 'cause a friend of mine at MS said they had
done a lot of work on them to make the experience better. It took 28 seconds
to get to the first screen. It took 4 seconds to get the Windows Mail (ugh)
and the newsgroup connected. I then had to sign in. This cost another 90
seconds--it would have been longer but I have an automated fingerprint
reader in my system. Incidentally, the Windows Live login timed out the
first time. It worded the second try. I clicked a question and waited 90
seconds before clicking it again--still no response other than a growing
green bar at the bottom. It finally appeared after 64 more seconds.

This is totally unacceptable. It took me almost 10 minutes to answer a
single question. I can answer or review over 5 times that many in the
newsgroups.

Microsoft: This is why I still don't use the forums. You can dink with the
UI all you want, but until you figure out how to make the process FASTER I
won't be back.

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"RobinS" <robins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I spend time in both places. The MSDN forums are painfully slow. You read
one message, respond to it, how do you get back to the original list? You
have to reload it. Or go back 2 or 3 times. Did I mention they are slow?

Reading messages in the microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups with a
newsreader like Windows Mail or Outlook Express is very fast. You can see
all of the messages at one time rather then 25 at a time. And if you're
answering a message and want to see one that is earlier in the thread, you
can do that, rather than just seeing the specific entry of the one you are
responding to. And after you respond, you're done. YOu don't have to back
up, or try to reload the list and figure out where you were.

God forbid you're on page 2 or 3 on a forum and you answer a question, and
click on the forum name to get back to the list rather than doing GoBack 2
or 3 times. If you do that, then you have to go find the page you were on
again.

I like the alerts in the forums. Here, with OE or WindowsMail you can mark
something, but I don't know how to get back to it short of looking for the
red entry.

It's easier with the newsgroups to see what you've read and what you
haven't. You can read multiple entries under a thread, and when a new one
comes in, that comes in a new. With the newsgroups, once I've read it and
it's marked in grey (how attractive is that?), if a new answer comes in, I
think it's still grey.

Did I mention the MSDN Forums are really slow?

I also feel like there are more people answering questions in the
newsgroups. I see the same people over and over, and there are like a
dozen or so of them. I'm not sure the participation is as high in the
forums. Probably because they're slow. Did I mention that? ;-)

RobinS.
GoldMail.com
(RobinDotNet in the ClickOnce forums)


<turkdude777@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I spend most of my time on the MSDN forums and not here on
microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet.
As a SQL Server developer, I am encouraged by my management to spend
time every week on the MSDN forums to help build community support.

Could someone enumerate the advantages of
microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet versus the msdn forums
(http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn)?
Why not just use the MSDN forums? Is there some inherent advantage of
this newsgroup I am missing?

I understand that this newsgroup has been around for a long time so
this is good, I see there are good MVPs here too.

Also is there some perception of a disadvantage to MSDN forums? I
know for myself the requirement for Live ID is really annoying I wish
they would get rid of this, but one advantage of this is the
notifcation services (I get notified when people respond to my posts,
etc). I suppose this could be implemented without Live ID. Also the
MSDN forums in general I don't like the interface. I've been working
with MSDN forums internally to improve all these items to make it a
better place.

On Apr 3, 8:46 am, "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoS...@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5.

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Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup?

As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment.

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