Re: How do i move an SQLDatabase to another location?

Hello Earl.

I'm new at all this and i might have more "luck" if someone wouldn't mine
telling me what kinds of subjects to research so that i can figure this
stuff out myself.

I'm not looking to the forums to give me the exact details of how to code
this project, i provide the details to people like Bill so that they can use
those details to point me in the right direction. I'm not asking for
anybody to navigate through any scenarios. I can do that. Just tell me
where to go.

I'm sure that Bill really knows what he is talking about because i see a lot
of his replies in these forums and i'm sure he knows a heck of a lot more
than i do. It seems the people in this forum hold him in high regard.
However, i don't like Bill pointing me to his website for answers.

Does the SQL forum answer questions about windows forms/database projects
and how to deploy them?

Thanks,
Tony

"Earl" <brikshoe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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That's funny. Almost. Very gracious too. Bill answers a ton of technical
questions that could make up many books if you took the time to algamate
the answers. Frankly I've found that without some books to put all the
pieces together, you are just floundering in the forums. There is simply
no way you can navigate through all of the different scenarios without a
comprehensive view of the problem and the various solutions. In your case,
good luck figuring out how to deal with the various idiosyncracies of an
SQL installation, or as you say, "take a finished project with an empty
database to a client location, install it and have it run using the
database without having connection string, security, SQL error message and
program bombing issues." That is a book all unto itself, encompassing
ADO.Net, SQLExpress, deployment, scripting, exception handling, and
persistence of settings. You might get some of those answers over in the
SQL forums, but bring your heat shields, as they are not generally as
diplomatic.

"Tony Girgenti" <tony(nospam)@lakesideos.com> wrote in message
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Hello Bill.

I'm just looking for an answer to where i can look to learn how to do
what i want to do.

These forums are not a place for you to sell your book.

Thanks,
Tony

"William (Bill) Vaughn" <billvaRemoveThis@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Well, yes. SQL Server is not a "file-based" database like JET or SQL
Server Express Edition. It requires that the SQL Server service be
installed and configured (somewhere). This "somewhere" can be on the
client system for a single-user application or on a LAN/WAN share that's
properly exposed by the server and the service. This means that when you
design your application, you should have one of these scenarios in mind.
It also means you'll typically need to take steps to either ensure that
the SQLEXPRESS instance of SQL Server is running "somewhere" visible or
install it yourself during application setup. The new UserInstance
approach can get you very close to this scenario, but again, it requires
SQL Server Express (and only Express) be installed on the client system
(along with your application). To that you would copy your .MDF file
which would be attached automatically the first time it was opened.

Another approach you might consider is the SQL Server Compact Edition
which is NOT a service-type DBMS engine--it can be installed with or
without admin rights along with the single-file .SDF database.

I expect you would benefit a great deal from my new book that walks
through all of these issues from your point of view.

hth

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"Tony Girgenti" <tony(nospam)@lakesideos.com> wrote in message
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Hello Bill.

From your reply, i thought you were trying to give me a hint as to
where to look to figure out what i want to do. I read some of the SQL
Server Management Studio Express documentation and it does not seem to
contain info about what i want to do.

I guess i should have been more specific in explaining what i
ultimately want to do.

I want to be able to take a finished project with an empty database to
a client location, install it and have it run using the database
without having connection string, security, SQL error message and
program bombing issues.

I figured this could be done inside the program by creating some kind
of dynamic connection string, but i just don't know where to look to
find out how to do it.

Do i need to bring SQL Server Express with me to the clients?

Do i need to know what the connection string will look like before i go
there?

How do i determine if i want to have a shared server-based database or
do i want to have one that installed independently on the client?

I don't even know what these terms mean. I just want to be able to
take my stuff somewhere and have it work without getting a bunch of
error messages.

Thanks,
Tony

"William (Bill) Vaughn" <billvaRemoveThis@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Where you place your database (.mdf and .ldf) file(s) is up to you. If
you use the VS UI tools, there are a number of defaults that kick in
and (as you found) SQL Server uses it's own "favorite" place to keep
databases--you aren't given a choice to pick your own location. SQL
Server Express Edition adds even more options (and complexity) as it
permits you to have a user-instance of SQL server with its own
(another) copy of the database. Yes, you can choose to put your
database in the project as well. As I illustrate in the book, you can
end up with 6 or more versions of the database in minutes. While each
of these database instances can be updated, it might appear that they
are not due to the

I'm of the opinion, that one needs to decide on a deployment strategy
before clicking through the defaults. You need to decide if you want to
have a shared server-based database, one that's installed independently
on the client or one that's associated with your project. How you
manage these SQL Server servers and instances and the databases you
create is really up to you. Do the VS IDE tools help? Yes, but not very
much. SQL Server Management Studio gives you a lot more options and
(thus) control over what gets built where and when.

hth

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____________________________________
William (Bill) Vaughn
Author, Mentor, Consultant
Microsoft MVP
INETA Speaker
www.betav.com/blog/billva
www.betav.com
Please reply only to the newsgroup so that others can benefit.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
__________________________________
Visit www.hitchhikerguides.net to get more information on my latest
book:
Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition)
and Hitchhiker's Guide to SQL Server 2005 Compact Edition (EBook)
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"Tony Girgenti" <tony(nospam)@lakesideos.com> wrote in message
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Hello.

I realize my other post was a bit lengthy, so i'd like to repost this
question.

Developing VS2005, SP1, .NET 2.0, VB Windows form program on WIN XP
Pro,
SP2. It has a Dataset with two tables using an SQL 9.0 Server
Express.

After creating a new database from the VS server explorer, it seems
that the
new database always resides in \C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
Server\MSSQL.1\MSSQL\Data.

When i create the datasource, it asks if i want to copy it to my
project.
If i answer yes, i cannot update the database.

How do i move the database to another location?

Any help would be gratefully appreciated.

Thanks,
Tony











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