Re: possible to connect 2 graphs?
From: Joe Johnson (joe_at_eirbase.com)
Date: 06/29/04
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:48:44 +0100
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:25:35 -0600, The March Hare (MVP) wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:33:56 +0100, Joe Johnson wrote:
>
>> As the person who asked the initial question which spurred on the ensuing
>> inquest, I've noticed that of the 13 replies in this thread, only a small
>> percentage actually pertain to my question.
>
> By my count most of the replies pertain to your question ignoring the
> replies about whether enze's filters are useful or not (which also seems
> relevant). Unless you are taking the approach that outlining a solution is
> not relevant.
>
No, outlining a solution is relevant. Challenging the legalities of
someone's domain name is not.
> This particular branch of the discussion relevant to the use of the
> newsgroup. If necessary, you can ignore the branches that you aren't
> interested in. A good newsreader will help you here.
>
I really don't want to get sucked in to this debate. It's just that I'm
having trouble understanding what the heart of the discussion is about. You
obviously have issues with Enze, which you are perfectly entitled to, but
it's the approach you're taking that I object to. You expect Enze to be
more upfront with his commercial interests (which I agree with btw), but
you aren't being upfront with yours. You beat around the proverbial bush on
what seems like a personal vendetta.
Please list out the issues you have and everyone would be in a much better
position to resolve them. So far, we have:
1. commerical tactics - entitled to advertise but should be more upfront.
2. ?
So Phil, what else? And, I do have a good news reader. If you would take
the time to use the features of yours you would see that I'm using the same
newsreader as youself.
>> You (MVP) seem to have taken an unnecessarily acute interest in Enze's
>> filters, which, in my opinion, go far beyond what an inveterate poster's
>> legitimate interest should be. I'm not trying to defend anyone, but I don't
>> see the same level of interrogation being applied to anyone else.
>
> Nobody else I can recall is deceptive about linking to his or her own
> commercial product in this newsgroup (we do get p*rn sp*m and other junk
> but MS is usually good at weeding that out). In fact, nobody else
> consistently refers to his or her own commercial product other than enze.
> That might give you a clue about what the newsgroups are predominately
> about. I refer people to solutions that have worked for others such as
> Elecard's MPEG-2 encoder & decoder. It is enze's approach that has been
> objected to. Even charly has suggested enze be more transparent.
>
covered in Issue 1) above.. let's move on.
>> I have discussed the legal aspects of disclosing private information with
>> Enze, and he has acknowledged his mistake. We all make them, and in
>> fairness, he has apologized for it. For me, that matter is now closed.
>
> That is good to hear.
>
>> You also seem to take offense at Enze recommending his commerical product
>> in this newsgroup. Please read the following excerpt from the "Rules of
>> Conduct" for this site:
>
> Why do you assume I haven't read the ROC? If you read the history of
> enze's presence in this newsgroup you might understand the history of
> objections that have been raised by myself and others to enze's deceptive
> posts. If you had spent over two years helping build this community from a
> sparsely answered group to a strong community you might be able to
> understand better my concern with this.
>
again, this relates to his 'deceptive posts', which is Issue 1). Nothing
new here.
>> "Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum for
>> providing peer-to-peer assistance on Microsoft products and services. We
>> ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do
>> not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or
>> chat."
>
> I have not objected to anything he has written as being spam, said it
> violates the ROC or filed an abuse complaint. I have tried to reason with
> someone who responds emotionally, doesn't post according to long
> established usenet standards and, until today, avoids directly answering
> most questions posed to him. If you wouldn't find that frustrating you are
> a more patient man than I am. If you haven't spent the last two plus years
> trying to help people here without advertising anything you aren't in a
> good position to judge are you? I am here to help others and to learn.
> That is what I think this newsgroup is for.
>
You are correct, I don't know the history of this and I certainly don't
intend on reviewing the past 2 years worth of posts to find out. But, as an
independent observer, I could hardly blame anyone for being somewhat
emotional under the circumstances. However, I think you'll find that,
behind the calm facade, you are being just as emotional. It's just that
you're better able to conceal it due to your proficiency of English.
I'm glad to hear that you want to help others and also that you recognize
that even someone with your experience can still find something to learn.
>> As far as I can see, his product does indeed pertain directly to this
>> newgroup, and, as such, he has every right to advertise it. And getting
>> back to the original issue I had, Enze's filters are the ONLY solution
>> which has been recommended. Nobody else has been able to provide positive,
>> encouraging feedback, and, at the end of the day, that's what really
>> matters.
>
> Really, what have Iain and Thore written *in this thread*? If you had used
> Google Groups you would have seen both approaches outlined in the past.
> You have made a blatantly false statement above.
>
I have searched Google Groups like everyone else (apart from yourself
apparently). But there are no other solutions. There are suggestions that
solutions 'are technically possible' and there are phrases like, "I heard
of a guy who did it but I don't know how". And how many times have I read,
"it is non-trivial"? If I missed a description of something I can implement
today, then please show me. Obviously people could go off, spend weeks (if
not months) and implement it themselves, but that's not what anyone wants
to hear.
I can certainly understand your frustration when people ask the same
questions over and over, especially when the answers have been provided in
the past. Referral is the appropriate reply. But, as far as I can see, only
snippets of "could be"'s and "might work"'s have been suggested for this
particular problem. I'd would sincerely be delighted if you could prove me
wrong here.
>> People like me use this newsgroup and thousands like it every day because
>> we need help.
>
> Have you done an MSR Netscan on this newsgroup lately? Who helps here?
> Who is concerned about the community? Who contributes? This is a public
> forum and there will be disagreements. I am entitled to my opinion and it
> carries the weight of my contributions here and my participation on usenet
> dating back to the mid-eighties. You are free to disagree with me,
> killfile me or complain to the MS MVP program. I will continue to write
> what I think is right.
And therein lies the problem.. You think your opinion "carries the weight
of your contributions". In other words, you think because you have made
more contributions to this group, then your word is the gospel.
Your participation in this group is commendable and it's through the
dedication of people like yourself that make it all work. And your
experience may give you more credibility than most people have. But your
opinion doesn't carry any more weight than anyone else's. We all have
experience. I've been writing code commercially since 1983 (albeit all on
Unix until now) but I wouldn't attempt to take the moral highground because
of it. As you rightly said earlier, there's scope for everyone to learn, so
we shouldn't try to be a big fish in a small pond just because we've been
around the block a few times.. As the old saying goes, "opinions are like
assh*les, everyone has one."
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