Re: Driver Expert

From: Calvin Guan (cguan_at_pleasenospam.ati.com)
Date: 09/09/04 

Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:27:31 -0400

"Philip Lukidis" <pagefault0x0@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:edf4QHnlEHA.1244@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
[snip]
> One other
> thing that I like about SoftICE is that my source code is embedded in the
> symbols. WinDBG requires source code for each driver version that you
want
> to debug, but your major revisions will have labels in VSS anyways.
> However, minor revisions may not, so having the source in the SoftICE
> symbols is convenient.

This is not always nice IMO, especially for big drivers. The size of NMSs
for our miniport and 2d driver is about 25MB. That's the minimal symbol
required to debug our driver. We potentially need symbols for d3d/OGL
drivers. That would be another hundred MB. A serious debug session may
require symbols for ntoskrnl,hal,videoprt,win32k as well. We will have to
reserve a lot of memory for SICE to load the symbols.

Matching the symbols/sources for executable automatically is very nice
especially we build many versions of the same drivers nightly.
WinDbg+srcsrv+perforce works great in this situation. We can debug any
nightly builds/branch builds of any of our drivers at source level as long
as the PDB has not been retired from our internal symserver. OTOH, I would
probably die within days if I have to match the NMS manually.

> I have not heard of performance analyzer...do you mean True Time? If so,
> reference my comments above.

I have not been intensively using True Time. I just can't resist the power
that VTune has offered.

-
Calvin Guan Software Engineer
ATI Technologies Inc. www.ati.com

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