Re: SoftIce crashes with Windows 2000 SP4

From: Don Burn (burn_at_stopspam.acm.org)
Date: 02/10/04 

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:19:02 -0500

I second David's comments, I refuse to use SoftIce because:

     1. I work with Beta's it doesn't support.
     2. It costs significantly more that a good test systemm and if you do
filesystems you sure don't want to devevelop and debug on the same system.
     3. Twice at customers who have used SoftIce, I now encountered bugs
that only occur when SoftIce was present. In both cases after more that a
man-week of effort SoftIce was found to be screwing up. 

-- 
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
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"David J. Craig" <SeniorDriversWriter@shogunyoshimuni.com.net> wrote in
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> It is your choice just like those of us who have an editor we love.  I
> figure that $1500 for a good test system is far cheaper than the current
> pricing for SoftIce.  A cheap test system can be had for $500 and no
> SoftIce package costs less than $1000.  My only reason in the past for
> using SoftIce was that I could use one debugger for 9x and NT and even
> MS-DOS but since the DOS version is not being updated, the command sets
> have diverged too much.  I had to debug a DOS driver recently and found
> that many commands I had depended upon in 9x & NT were not supported.
> Try debugging video drivers or DirectX with SoftIce - I suspect a lot of
> conflicts since they use the same resources.  The keyboard also since
> you have only one for both the debugger and the OS.  The delay of
> support for new OS versions can be a problem if you want to be ready to
> ship with a new OS.
>
> "Alex" <AlX@a> wrote in message
> news:unrmAZ37DHA.2404@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >
> > "Maxim S. Shatskih" <maxim@storagecraft.com> wrote in message
> > news:e51fsR37DHA.3880@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > me a terible crippling feeling, so it's more about "How easy" I
> can
> > > > accomplish my task. Productivity, if you want..
> > >
> > > WinDbg has all GUI windows like Memory, Registers, Locals, Call
> Stack etc.
> > It
> > > is a superset of MSVC++ debugger.
> > >
> > > Anyway you productivity will be by far higher if you will type "dv"
> > instead of
> > > switching windows via the mouse to get to the Locals window :-)
> >
> > But I have all the windows docked on screen, so I don't have to do
> anything
> > to see what i need
> >
> > In the end It's a matter of taste, I would like SoftICE even if WinDbg
> would
> > write the code for me
> > ;)
> >
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
> > > StorageCraft Corporation
> > > maxim@storagecraft.com
> > > http://www.storagecraft.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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