Re: Rules of Conduct for Microsoft Newsgroups
From: John Eddy [MSFT] (johneddy_at_microsoft.com)
Date: 06/02/04
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:50:48 -0700
"Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
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>> Strictly speaking, there aren't any rules of conduct against blatant
>> cheating posts.
>
> And that's where the problem starts, John. There *should* be rules of
> conduct regarding blatant cheating.
As I stated elsewhere, I'm not looking to add Rules of Conduct that would
only be applicable to less than 1% of the microsoft.public.* heirarchy.
> Look, we're all smart enough to know
> that no matter what MS or anyone else does, there will always be
> braindumpers. But stifling their bragging (or suggestions to do it) is but
> one simple way to slow the onslaught of cert-devaluing cheaters. Or do
> you,
> a MS employee, not think that braindumping is cheating?
>
>> I'd like to know your definition regarding the term 'spam'
>> when it comes to newsgroups before I say anything about that.
>
> While this wasn't directed at me, I do have to say that spammers aren't
> too
> numerous here anymore. There are occasional spams, but the only ones we've
> had in a while seem to have come from wongh, cobol, and his examnotes.com
> kin. And they've apparently been banned. For that, we all thank you and
> your
> fellow NG Admins. Spammers are but a minor problem we see here in
> mpce.mcse.
> Dumpers far outnumber spammers here. At least in my experience - and I'm
> here just about every day.
The reason I asked for definition of what a spammer is is because 'spam' on
USENET != spam in email. I wanted to know what were were talking about
before I talk about anything.
For instance, take a legitimate training company, like, umm... it has been
so long, I don't remember the names of them. Drake? Are they still a
training company, or am I just in the mood for Drake's Cakes and it is
showing? Well, heck, lets say it is Drake. If a Drake representative
posted to this group that they were offering a 25% off discount for one of
their MCSE training exams, is that spam? Many would say yes. However, the
topic of the post is on-topic for this group, in the same way that a post
advertising a 1984 Renault Le Car is not.
For reference sake, spam on USENET is defined by a post of substantially
similar content posted individually to a number of newsgroups (that number
being the Breidbart Index and slightly variable.)
>> As for
>> pirating posts, feel free to send me any message-id of posts that are
> giving
>> instructions for how to pirate any software and I'll take care of those.
>
> Oh, I get it. With the billions of dollars MS pulls in every year, they're
> still more concerned with someone using a "free" copy of Windows XP than
> stopping the dumpers. Not to single you out or anything, because I know
> you're just doing your job, but why do you only care about being notified
> of
> piracy?
Ah, this is where I mentioned piracy. Which was in response to someone else
listing it out. Piracy is listed in the Terms of Use when it says 'Upload,
or otherwise make available, files that contain images, photographs,
software or other material protected by intellectual property laws,
including, by way of example, and not as limitation, copyright or trademark
laws (or by rights of privacy or publicity) unless you own or control the
rights thereto or have received all necessary consent to do the same.'
And let me make one thing clear, I don't care *WHOSE* software is being
pirated. If someone is offering Transcender tests, Microsoft Windows or
Adobe Photoshop up, I want to know about it so I can remove that post and
report the person to whichever company he needs to be reported to. This
isn't about me trying to protect Microsoft's IP. This is about me trying to
enforce the Terms of Use.
> I do realize that piracy is a huge problem for MS - and other
> software companies - but why have no other NG Admins come here and asked
> for
> us to report any dumping posts?
Strictly speaking because my particular job didn't exist up until about 5
months ago. We may have had an administrator whose job it is to run the
server (in fact, we still have that person and he's been running these
servers as well as a number of other servers) but we haven't had a dedicated
Newsgroup Administrator before.
> Leaves me with the impression that MS
> doesn't much care about the certificates, but rather, they certs are but
> another way for them to squeeze money out of the public.
Sorry, I don't do impressions.
Seriously, tho, although I feel like I'm repeating myself, my job isn't to
enforce the value of the certs, one of my jobs is to enforce the Rules of
Conduct and Terms of Use.
John Eddy
Microsoft Newsgroups Administrator
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