Re: What kind of MCSE?
From: DalePres (don-t-spa-m-me_at_lea-ve-me-a-lone--.com)
Date: 04/12/04
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:23:27 -0500
You make a very good point. about trying to break into IT now. When I got
my MCSE it was a completely different situation. When I got my first
Microsoft certification, MCP in W95, I could write my own ticket, and it
only got better when I finished my MCSE 6 months later.
Thanks for your reply,
Dale
"SJ" <sj777abc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> If someone was an MCSE, I don't see a lot of value in "stepping back"
> to the MCDST unless specific job requirements warrant it. But what I'm
> seeing is that it's not as easy to break into the IT field as it was 5
> or so years ago. For someone without experience I see it as easier to
> get into a entry level support position rather than a full fledged
> System Engineer job.
>
> An MCSE without experience doesn't have much chance of walking into
> the $60,000 IT job anymore. However, a MCDST does have a good chance
> of walking into a $30K support job that he or she can grow with. And
> while working, can work on more certs.
>
> That's why I was suggesting Brian may benefit from the MCDST cert on
> his way to getting the MCSE. On the same topic, I think using the
> MCSA core test (218) as an MCSE elective is a good idea too.
>
> When the hiring manager is reviewing a stack of resumes to fill a
> desktop support technician job and he sees one resume saying they've
> passed a test (among other things), and another is a certified Desktop
> Support Technician (among other things), I think the certified
> individual often has a better chance of landing the interview.
> Education (degrees) and certifications increase the chance of getting
> the interview.
>
> I have taken both the 270 and the 271 tests. As Sartan wrote, 271 is
> geared more toward support; they are quite similar though and if
> someone completes the 271 they are just a few hours of studying away
> from passing the 270 if they want it.
>
> HTH
>
> SJ
> MCSE, MCDBA, MCSD...
> www.certquest.net
>
> "Sartan Dragonbane" <NOSPAMHERE@YOUMOMMA.NULL.COM> wrote in message
news:<2heec.40327$J56.35039@edtnps89>...
> > The MCDST tests a different skillset than the MCSA/MCSE 270 exam.
> > The MCDST is definately orientated towards support: The 270 is for an
> > administrator with XP on his or her network.
> > (I've taken MCDST & 210 ~ have a [great] 270 book)
> >
> >
> >
> > "DalePres" <don-t-spa-m-me@lea-ve-me-a-lone--.com> wrote in message
> > news:e5rjEg9HEHA.3444@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > Have you taken 271? Do you think 270 would be just as effective in
> > landing
> > > a desktop support position while still counting for MCSE if Brian
still
> > > wants to go that far?
> > >
> > > I've had my MCSE for a long time and certainly wouldn't go backwards
by
> > > taking the MCDST or MCSA exams. Or A+ for that matter. I can see how
> > they
> > > would be productive on the way up, but don't think they'd be that big
of a
> > > deal for someone that is also an MCSE.
> > >
> > > Just wondering what you think on the topic.
> > >
> > > Dale
> > > "SJ" <sj777abc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:a94290d5.0404110402.36ef7e50@posting.google.com...
> > > > "Brian" <yoda91@silicandynamics.com> wrote in message
> > news:<-tGdnZp_2-j0f-XdRVn-hw@speakeasy.net>...
> > > > > I am looking into tring to get a MCSE Cert. what would be the best
to
> > get
> > > > > first, and what are more companies looking for?
> > > >
> > > > If you're just starting, I recommend you start with the MCDST cert.
> > > > You can find the details here:
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcdst/default.asp
> > > >
> > > > The first test is the 70-271.
> > > >
> > > > It focuses on XP and associated apps and can help you land a help
desk
> > > > job while you continue your quest for higher certifications.
> > > >
> > > > From there you can easily expand your knowledge and abilities while
> > > > figuring out if you like the job. The IT world is really a service
> > > > industry. Your ability to work with others, provide help and
> > > > encouragement, and generally get along with co-workers is just as
> > > > important in your long term success as your knowledge. Some people
> > > > quickly grow beyond this type of a job in a single year. Others try
> > > > it and never return.
> > > >
> > > > There's money to be made, but that isn't the only reason to go into
> > > > the IT industry. Unless you're happy with what you're doing, you
> > > > probably won't go far. In fact, you may develop a pattern of
> > > > bitterness and distaste for everyone else that instead of answering
> > > > questions, you attack the questioner.
> > > >
> > > > HTH,
> > > >
> > > > SJ
> > > > MCSE, MCDBA, MCSD...
> > > > www.certquest.net
> > >
> > >
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