Re: mcsd to mcpd

OT (sorry)

have I heard you on some podcast?
(great architecture and trends content, "skype" sound)
if it is you, could you post a link? if not, sorry: please ignore post.

Gorm

"Chris Mullins [MVP]" <cmullins@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:ObUlDg0OHHA.4172@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The certs are a good way to get back into the industry and they do help mitigate a lack of recent job experience.

Getting the certs force you to learn a well thought-out cirriculum, and have a decent knowledge of a huge amount of material.

My problem with the camps is that you're just memorizing questions & answers, taking the test, then repeating the process. This "cram" process is doomed to long-term failure at any level from gradeschool through grad school. Sure you passed the test, but it doesn't mean you know or understand anything.

... and at the end of the day, nobody is going to know you got your certs by attending a camp. Nor are they going to care. They're only going to know, "Wow. That person knows their stuff." or "Wow. How did they ever get through the interview process?".

Other things that I've found that help is a blog. Prior to interviewing someone, I read their blog entries (if any). That's an excellent medium for me to try to decide, "Does this person have a clue?".

--
Chris Mullins, MCSD.NET, MCPD:Enterprise, MVP C#
http://www.coversant.net/blogs/cmullins

"Emaa" <Emaa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:5181BF70-8E8A-4A6E-91A7-F856536535F6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
That's funny, if I do end up taking a boot camp for my certification, I will
remember this conversation.

Just to let you know, I am a Software Developer with a Masters in Computer
Engg and couple years of work experience. But I have been out of the industry
for three years and thus have to find a way to get into the industry.
Everybody needs a proof that I can do my job and without a recent work
experience, a certification would be my best bet.

The reason that I am still wanting to take up a Boot Camp with my IT
background is the time and resources.

How else do you think I could get certified other than reading books on my
own?

Thanks for the advice.
"Chris Mullins [MVP]" wrote:

I've never attended a boot camp, nor have I seriously looked into attending
one.

I have interacted with a number of people who achieved their certifications
(especially the MCSE's) through boot camps. My impression of boot camps, and
the resulting value of the certifications has not been a positive one.

Other Guy: "I got my MCSE last year by attending this boot camp."

Me: "Great. Can you bring this new machine up to date with patches, join it
to the AD, create a new AD account for the guy we just hired, set him up
with admin rights on his local box, and get him setup in Exchange as well?"

Other Guy: "Whoa. That may take a few days."

Me: "Nevermind. I'll do it."

I *swear* I've had this EXACT conversation on more than one occasion.

(For those not paying attentation, this should take about 15 minutes. Tops!)

--
Chris Mullins, MCSD.NET, MCPD:Enterprise, MVP C#
http://www.coversant.net/blogs/cmullins

"Emaa" <Emaa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:FF7BAE39-F706-4107-99DF-83D85AE78740@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Chris,
>
> I am planing to go in for a Boot Camp and am trying to find more about > the
> credibility of CED Solutions who offer Boot Camps. I was wondering if > you
> had
> a
> more information regarding the same?
>
> Thanks.
>
> "Chris Mullins [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> I've got two words to answer that question:
>>
>> Boot Camp.
>>
>>
>> -- >> Chris Mullins, MCSD.NET, MCPD:Enterprise, MVP C#
>> http://www.coversant.net/blogs/cmullins
>>
>> "Manno" <Manno@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:C365983C-133C-49C6-B3FE-994D8BF482EC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Are you sure you are an MCSD? If you are, why do you ask such a >> > stupid
>> > question like this when you should the one giving out answers to >> > such
>> > questions. How did you become an MCSD? Wih your level, you need >> > to
>> > know
>> > what's up.
>> >
>> > Wake up!
>> > -- >> > Jean-Louis
>> > MCAD,MCSD
>> > West Palm Beach, FL
>> >
>> >
>> > "SirReadAlot" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi guess,
>> >>
>> >> What exams do i need to take to become mcpd. I am already >> >> mcsd.net.
>> >>
>> >> I know I need two exams in order to upgrade to mcpd. (Exam 70-553) >> >> and
>> >> (Exam
>> >> 70-554)
>> >>
>> >> but how come i can't find any books with the above title.
>> >>
>> >> do i need to buy mcts books. for example
>> >>
>> >> (Exam 70-553) do i need these book?
>> >>
>> >> MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-526): Microsoft .Net >> >> Framework
>> >> 2.0
>> >> Windows-Based Client Development
>> >>
>> >> MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-528): Microsoft .NET >> >> Framework
>> >> 2.0
>> >> Web-Based Client Development
>> >>
>> >> MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-536): Microsoft .NET >> >> Framework
>> >> 2.0-Application Development Foundation
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> for exam 70-554
>> >>
>> >> MCTS Self-Paced Training Kit (Exams 70-529): Microsoft .NET >> >> Framework
>> >> 2.0
>> >> Distributed Application Development
>> >>
>> >> MCPD Self-Paced Training Kit (Exams 70-549): Designing and >> >> Developing
>> >> Enterprise Applications Using the Microsoft .NET Framework >> >> (available
>> >> late
>> >> 2006)
>> >>
>> >> CLR via C#: Applied Microsoft .NET Framework Programming, second
>> >> edition
>> >>
>> >> Debugging, Testing, and Tuning Microsoft .NET 2.0 Applications
>> >>
>> >> Programming Microsoft Visual C# 2005: The Language
>> >>
>> >> Programming Microsoft Visual Basic 2005: The Language
>> >>
>> >> see this site
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcpd/entapp/default.mspx
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> thanks
>>
>>
>>





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