Re: College vs Cert

My degree plan teaches even LESS on MCSE type material then it does MCAD
material.
Again I stress, this could simply be my college this degree plan suggests
network Admin but only has two classes regarding networking. There is another
degree plan called computer engineering which is 100% hardware and only has
one programing class but my college says its for "software engineering".

My college basically doesnt have a clue what its doing and is not teaching
students anything. If I was an employer I would hire a certified person with
no experience before I hired a graduate from my college/degree plan with no
experience, without question. I am willing to bet a vast majority of my
co-students would agree with me in fact, we talk about it all the time.

"Egghead" wrote:

> Sean, something wrong here,
> Do u mean MCSE? I think IST is for MCSE stuffs, not MCSD stuffs.
> May be you are in the wrong Major after all.
> You are the first one to tell me that cert materials are more challenging
> than a degree courses works, do you complete your last yr courses yet?
> Anyway, I also have a degree in CS and few certs as well. However, I find
> out that a degree is still the best way to get the foot in the door without
> any exp (Of course, it is given that it is not an university of Pancakes
> degree). It is bcos it looks good on your resume, and you must do some
> computer related course works in that 4yrs.
> "Exp in the field" does not mean that you are working as a PAID developer or
> a PAID sys admin. There are a lot of ways to get exp in the field. In our
> CS, we need to involve in 3 CS related projects with some companies before
> we can go to our final yr, and we must spend at least 150 hrs in each
> project. Also, before we can let go, we need to involve in a CS related
> project that we spend at least 450hrs in it. Therefore, we can build up some
> exp and have a nice CVS. A lot of my classmates have job offer from those
> companies or other companies that have similar project. If your college does
> not offer that, I believe your can do some volunteer work for your local
> church as well.
> I understand that it feels angry when looking for work, especially after 4
> yrs of hard work in college. On the other hand, you must understand without
> exp. It is a really hard sell to any employer. How can they know you can do
> the work?
> OK, I run into some jobs that degree and exp are not really a req. However,
> you need to write their in-house exam. The exam is not all in MC format, and
> at least half of the exam is hand-on programming.
> Now, I really want to know which college you are in?
> I mean there is no way an accredited college in North America can be that
> bad.
> Egghead
>
> "Sean" <Sean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:020D1BA9-DBCC-4731-9C88-D93A9FE578D7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > My degree plan in Information Systems Technology and they are supposed to
> be
> > teaching me things similar to what could be covered in a cert exam but
> they
> > are not. Furthermore, I find cert material much more challengeing the
> course
> > work.
> >
> > Now on the topic of ¡§experience¡¨ need I remind you that people who are
> > talking to college councilors about ¡§the best way to get my foot in the
> door¡¨
> > don¡¦t have experience and are specifically asking that question to the
> > councilor because they are currently seeking methods of getting said
> > experience. If you have no experience your options are all or some of the
> > following
> > 1.get certified
> > 2.get a degree
> > 3.find an employer who wil hire you simply becuase you want to learn the
> > stuff at work.
> >
> > ¡§experience¡¨ is not an option for ¡§getting experience¡¨. I hope before
> I die
> > people as a whole will understand the impossibility of the logic ¡§I need
> > experience to get my foot in the door¡¨ which if it is not illogical, it
> is at
> > best simply asking for a hand out.
> >
> >
> >
> > "EggHead" wrote:
> >
> > > I do not know what kind of college you are in now.
> > > However, "in many cases its more valuable for getting in the door then a
> > > degree", What kind of degree does he/she talking prefer to? A degree
> from
> > > university of Pancake. I believe the truth is that "its" is "exp. in the
> > > field" not the M$ Cert.
> > > Without any exp. in the field or you know no one in the field, cert is
> only
> > > a piece of paper and almost unless.
> > > Get it straight, cert is only valid if you have exp or at least a dip
> from
> > > college. I believe no one will hire a programmer who only has M$ cert
> from
> > > the street in North America now.
> > >
> > > Egghead
> > >
> > > "Sean" <Sean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:94C1A7A7-0413-4C1E-940C-E64EE72C2276@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Not should I get one or the other actually I am getting both, my
> question
> > > > is
> > > > a bit different.
> > > >
> > > > I am an IST major and people at my college don!|t seem to take
> > > > certifications
> > > > very seriously. They seem to think its easy stuff although my college
> > > > councilor said that in many cases its more valuable for getting in the
> > > > door
> > > > then a degree.
> > > > Our program manager said !¡±a certification cant replace an !¢D
> entire!|
> > > > course!¡L.
> > > > I found that somewhat insulting, at my college one test such as 70-306
> > > > would
> > > > be easily 2 courses if not 3. Could it be just my loser college?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
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