Re: College vs Cert

I want to add to what I am replying by making it clear that I personally am
doing both degree and certification for a very specific reason. The reason is
because my college is not teaching me the material I need to know to survive
one day in this industry despite the fact the degree plan is directly
related! Granted this may be my college in particular but I assure you I
would hire a MS certified person with no experience before I ever considered
a person with no experience who has graduated from my college/degree plan
despite the fact the degree plan purports to be teaching these specific
technologies.

I guess my question is this, is my college the exception or the rule?
Because my college is a academic disaster zone when it comes to the IST
degree plan.


"Sean" wrote:

> My degree plan in Information Systems Technology and they are supposed to be
> teaching me things similar to what could be covered in a cert exam but they
> are not. Furthermore, I find cert material much more challengeing the course
> work.
>
> Now on the topic of “experience” need I remind you that people who are
> talking to college councilors about “the best way to get my foot in the door”
> don’t have experience and are specifically asking that question to the
> councilor because they are currently seeking methods of getting said
> experience. If you have no experience your options are all or some of the
> following
> 1.get certified
> 2.get a degree
> 3.find an employer who wil hire you simply becuase you want to learn the
> stuff at work.
>
> “experience” is not an option for “getting experience”. I hope before I die
> people as a whole will understand the impossibility of the logic “I need
> experience to get my foot in the door” which if it is not illogical, it is at
> best simply asking for a hand out.
>
>
>
> "EggHead" wrote:
>
> > I do not know what kind of college you are in now.
> > However, "in many cases its more valuable for getting in the door then a
> > degree", What kind of degree does he/she talking prefer to? A degree from
> > university of Pancake. I believe the truth is that "its" is "exp. in the
> > field" not the M$ Cert.
> > Without any exp. in the field or you know no one in the field, cert is only
> > a piece of paper and almost unless.
> > Get it straight, cert is only valid if you have exp or at least a dip from
> > college. I believe no one will hire a programmer who only has M$ cert from
> > the street in North America now.
> >
> > Egghead
> >
> > "Sean" <Sean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:94C1A7A7-0413-4C1E-940C-E64EE72C2276@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Not should I get one or the other actually I am getting both, my question
> > > is
> > > a bit different.
> > >
> > > I am an IST major and people at my college don¡¦t seem to take
> > > certifications
> > > very seriously. They seem to think its easy stuff although my college
> > > councilor said that in many cases its more valuable for getting in the
> > > door
> > > then a degree.
> > > Our program manager said ¡§a certification cant replace an ¡¥entire¡¦
> > > course¡¨.
> > > I found that somewhat insulting, at my college one test such as 70-306
> > > would
> > > be easily 2 courses if not 3. Could it be just my loser college?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
.

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