Re: Terminal Services after Migration to SBS 2003

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From: Jeff Middleton [SBS-MVP] (jeff_at_cfisolutions.com)
Date: 02/12/05 

Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:41:48 -0600

It's funny, but there are a fair number of folks that I can say "yes, I
remember we talked about this last time we did that upgrade". Yesterday I
was looking for information "I used to know", so I went into the Google
archives on a search of things I had said about a particular topic to see if
I could find out what I used to know about it. For me, searching Google can
be like opening a family photo album. I can pull back conversations I've had
with folks for years and remember all sorts of things that faded from
memory. It's a pleasant experience.

Travelling in Australia reminded me of that because of all the people I met
in person for the first time, yet these are people I have talked to for
years. So, if you are the Pedro from Portugal, then I remember a number of
times we chatted, and look forward to seeing you online again. I don't know
many people from Portugal, so that sticks out. I might even get to your part
of Europe at some point now that I'm travelling the world to talk about this
concept.

Thanks for the kind words! :)

This technique that was so simple for NT, with AD it is now quite complex.
It's remarkable now that I'm giving direct tech support to people working
through the Swing It!! Kit reference because at least it's a standardized
set of steps and they have a consistent reference. So now, the support
emails I get start with "Jeff, I'm in Phase 2, Step B, Item 5 and I'm stuck.
What did I miss?" It's pretty cool how many people use the kit and tell me
later that everything went fine, and they never needed any help. It's a real
pleasure to have put together a guide to something this complex and then
hear that sort of success story. But for those who run into issues and get
stumped, I can help them effectively because I know they have the details
they need, we just have to work out the exceptions they have run into.

- Jeff

"Pedro" <nomail> wrote in message
news:420de57b$0$47624$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
> Thanks for the confirmation Jeff.
>
> OT (slightly): I had a look at your site. You've progressed a bit since a
> couple of years ago when you helped me decide an upgrade and replace
> strategy for a WinNT4 Domain. Excellent stuff. BTW, that job has come back
> to bite me in the rear end. System drive is full'ish (4Gb partition 'cause
> it was an NT4 box upgraded to Win2K). I think I might use your procedures
to
> replace the server again (disaster recovery scenario . . . without the
> disaster part). Thanks for your help, then, and now.
>
>
> "Jeff Middleton [SBS-MVP]" <jeff@cfisolutions.com> wrote in message
> news:eFwg5TLEFHA.1932@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >U R correct. Reverse not work so good.
> >
> > You can provide TS licensing for W2K from W2k3. One option is to host
the
> > license server on the TS w2k.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Pedro" <nomail> wrote in message
> > news:420d69c2$0$15456$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
> >> Can a SBS2003 system provide TS Licensing for a TS 2000 system then? I
> >> ask
> >> the question because I am about to migrate from SBS2000 to SBS2003
> > (probably
> >> using Jeff's method) and I want to keep my TS2000 box for a while. I am
> >> reliably informed (by Microsoft) that it doesn't work the other way
> >> round,
> > a
> >> SBS2000 box cannot provide TS licensing for a TS2003 box.
> >>
> >> Regards, Pete Smith.
> >>
> >> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
> >> news:%23GISPrHEFHA.1396@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> > Jeff is distracted by your migration.
> >> >
> >> > As the TS is seperate to the SBS, simply a member of the domain, it
> >> > does
> >> > not need to be reinstalled or majorly modified.
> >> >
> >> > You will need to activate TS Licensing on the SBS2003 no matter how
the
> >> > migration is achieved. If TS licensing is currently installed on the
TS
> > it
> >> > should be removed..
> >> > A 2000 TS will work fine in a 2003 AD.
> >> >
> >> > The answer to 3 depends on how you achieve the move to SBS2003. If
you
> > use
> >> > Jeff's migration strategy the TS doesn't even realise the DC has
> >> > changed
> >> > so little needs to be done to it, except licensing.
> >> >
> >> > "Jeff Middleton [SBS-MVP]" <jeff@cfisolutions.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:%23gQYWPGEFHA.1396@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> >> Based upon what you describe, I would suggest you take a look at my
> >> >> website
> >> >> concerning the migration process so that you can make a transparent
> >> >> upgrade
> >> >> of the SBS server to keep that from impacting the scope of the
> >> >> project.
> >> >> I've
> >> >> described a way that you can replace the existing SBS with a new one
> >> >> keeping
> >> >> the same domain, same server name, and migrating all the same shared
> >> >> folder
> >> >> security, plus keeping the Exchange intact. www.SBSmigration.com
> >> >>
> >> >> Regarding the TS questions, you cannot demote the existing SBS
server
> > to
> >> >> accomplish your goal, you will need to reinstall it, or you would
need
> > to
> >> >> run an in-place upgrade it to standard Windows 2000 or 2003. I've
not
> >> >> attempted that, and I can say how stable or effective that would be
in
> >> >> both
> >> >> preserving the TS configuration or clearing out the SBS
configuration.
> >> >> Technically you would have to demote the SBS then do the upgrade,
but
> >> >> I
> >> >> would recommend you do a clean install just to make the machine more
> >> >> manageable for the long term. I mention the above simply to give you
> > the
> >> >> sense that I'm aware of the issues that are involved, and I think it
> >> >> would
> >> >> be a bad idea.
> >> >>
> >> >> You would need to install new licensing because the license engine
you
> >> >> have
> >> >> isn't compatible to what you would need.
> >> >>
> >> >> You would have the option to install a Windows 2000 or 2003 Server
> >> >> version
> >> >> for the TS Apps server. You would need to purchase CALs from all
> >> >> workstations you will use with TS Apps if you install Win2003
Server,
> > or
> >> >> with Win2000 TS server you would need only CALs for NT/W9x
> > workstations,
> >> >> but
> >> >> not for later OS version workstations.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "JohnJump" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:062b01c5104f$39169810$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> >> >>> We currently have a SBS2000 server and a Terminal Services
> >> >>> (O/S:Windows 2000 server) server in the network. I'm
> >> >>> planning to migrate to SBS2003(using a new server).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Questions:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 1- Would I need to activate the Terminal Server licensing
> >> >>> again?
> >> >>> 2- Would the current Terminal server with Windows 2000
> >> >>> Server on it work with SBS 2003? or would I have to get
> >> >>> plain Windows 2003 for this server?
> >> >>> 3- If it works, would I have to do a clean install or just
> >> >>> do the "rename the computer or join a domain..." under
> >> >>> system properties?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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