Re: RAID 1 versus RAID 5

From: Kevin Weilbacher (kweilbacMVP_at_gte.net)
Date: 12/02/04


Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:11:52 -0500

You are correct. In my original post I did indicate that I always use
hardware Raid. I should have re-emphasized that in my last post. Good
followup!

-- 
Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]
"The days pass by so quickly now, the nights are seldom long"
"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message 
news:eKNe2HG2EHA.2572@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> What you have to keep in mind Kev is that articles which suggest your 
> root/boot partitions cannot be _software_ RAID5 are correct.
>
> The RAID array must be available to the boot process. If it's _hardware_ 
> RAID5 you're OK.
>
> "Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]" <kweilbacMVP@gte.net> wrote in message 
> news:et6g0%23F2EHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Reply to Fred -
>> your points are well taken and should be considered. I was simply 
>> addressing the fact that posts and articles that say that you  CANNOT 
>> have your system partition on a Raid-5 disk are incorrect.
>>
>> -- 
>> Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]
>> "The days pass by so quickly now, the nights are seldom long"
>>
>>
>> "Fred Blum" <h.f.blum@marketconnectnospam.nl> wrote in message 
>> news:%23T4XKiE2EHA.1192@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> had not thought of that and you're right. My RIAD controller doesn't 
>>> allow a dynamic resizing on W2K.
>>> IMHO opinion this thread question/answer should be in the FAQ.
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> "Joshua Bolton" <JoshuaBolton@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in 
>>> message news:5AC99C16-73A5-4B52-98B6-113D9E26E73D@microsoft.com...
>>>> Kevin I would point out that this configuration precludes any disk 
>>>> space
>>>> being added to your system.  This is why the standard has been mirror 
>>>> [raid1]
>>>> the OS and stripe [raid 5/0+1/10] the data.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the reason why.  It is common to need to add disk space to the 
>>>> data
>>>> partition/drive.  Most raid controllers don't allow dynamic upgrades in 
>>>> the
>>>> raid array.  So to add more disk space with your present configuration 
>>>> you
>>>> have to wipe the existing array and recreate the raid5 array with the
>>>> additional disk so you have more space.  This usually means you have to
>>>> repartition the way you want, reinstall the OS and backup software and
>>>> restore from a backup.  A long painful process.
>>>>
>>>> Lets say you have a raid controller that can add the disk to the array
>>>> dynamicly.  Great.  Now you have system, apps and data partitions.  How 
>>>> are
>>>> you going to add the "unallocated space" to the data partition?  You 
>>>> only
>>>> have two options.  The best being buy a server version of Partition 
>>>> Magic and
>>>> use it to add the space to data.  Or create a volume set between the 
>>>> data
>>>> partition and the unallocated space [very bad choice since I have seen 
>>>> chkdsk
>>>> /f destroy a volume set].
>>>>
>>>> Now if you had mirrored the OS and stripped the data [in your case apps 
>>>> and
>>>> data] it is a simple matter of backup apps and data, reinit the array 
>>>> with
>>>> the added disk, use disk manager to partition as you desire and format 
>>>> the
>>>> partitions.  Then restore from backup.  I have done this in 4 hours on 
>>>> a Sat.
>>>> [depending on how long it took to init the array and restore data].
>>>>
>>>> Lets say you wanted to make the OS drive space larger.  You can't 
>>>> mirror to
>>>> a larger drive.  But you can break the mirror, use ghost to ghost from 
>>>> small
>>>> driver to larger and then with another larger drive in the system 
>>>> mirror the
>>>> two.  Again a fairly straight forward operation which you can not do if 
>>>> you
>>>> have all three partitions on a single raid5 array.  This is a two hour 
>>>> or
>>>> less operation.
>>>>
>>>> Just something to think about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Kevin Weilbacher" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fred, I know way back when it was recommended not to use raid-5 for 
>>>>> your
>>>>> system partition. But I don't believe that is applicable any longer. I 
>>>>> know
>>>>> I use hardware Raid-5 for all my SBS servers without any problems. I 
>>>>> take my
>>>>> 3 or 4 drives, set them up in Raid-5, and partition them into 3 
>>>>> sections:
>>>>> system, apps, data.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> 


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