Re: ISA Event
From: Jack (jack30_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 10/07/04
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:05:43 +1000
c:\ netstat -an | find "443"
TCP 10.0.0.2:443 0.0.0.0 LISTENING
TCP 127.0.0.1:443 0.0.0.0 LISTENING
TCP 192.168.4.9:443 0.0.0.0 LISTENING
This is the right one.
"Jack" <jack30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:evwFolBrEHA.3748@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Thats my problem i don't know how to bind 443 only to one interface i know
> 80 is not bound in iis anymore thanks to disableingsocketpooling but 443
> still is bound to both.
> Here is the details:
>
> c:\ netstat -an | find "443"
> TCP 10.0.0.2:443 0.0.0.0 LISTENING
> TCP 127.0.0.1 0.0.0.0 LISTENING
> TCP 192.168.4.9 0.0.0.0 LISTENING
>
> As you can see 443 is bound to everything.
> I ran the same command on 80 and 8080 and they are only bound to the 1
> interface.
> How do i fix it. It is very frustrating.
> Can you take isa of sbs and use it on a second machine connected to the
> router. That would fix the problem.
> Thanks
> Jack.
>
> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
> news:uLXJwz6qEHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > OK, so try manually binding 443 only to the internal interface.
> >
> > not via a command, via IIS management.
> >
> > "Jack" <jack30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:u37gnOzqEHA.3840@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi
> > > I am not trying to put you guys down at all thats why i am here
seeking
> > > advise from MVP's i just get a bit defensive i suppose spending all
that
> > > money on microsoft courses does that especially when you get a problem
> you
> > > haven't covered in the courses and as i said earlier they don't teach
> > > anything about sbs only enterprise level like all the domain
controllers
> i
> > > have used have iis and isa on seperate boxes usually on 3 leg
perimiter
> > > networks. I understand that it is not just sbs as isa and iis on any
box
> > > would give the same grief even in a enterprise enviroment. You are
right
> > > and
> > > thats why i can't understand why when i ran the to do list it didn't
fix
> > > the
> > > problem on 443. Doesn't the iis section in the to do list unbind iis
> from
> > > port 80 not 80 and 443? I noticed i am not getting port 80 warnings in
> the
> > > event viewer. It only started when we created a certificate server on
> sbs
> > > so
> > > you have to use 443 to get it the eg: OWA working externally. If i
turn
> > > off
> > > the 443 ( uninstall the certificate) and use 80 again there is no
> problem
> > > as
> > > the to do list did its job if i go back to certificates then i get the
> > > warning in the event viewer.
> > > Thanks
> > > Jack.
> > > "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
> > > news:#4pML9sqEHA.3244@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > >> Hi Jack,
> > >>
> > >> I left this alone till I was home rather than work.
> > >>
> > >> I'm sorry you have this idea that there is some MVP vs MCPE
thing,
> > > there
> > >> is no such item on my agenda.
> > >>
> > >> Think about it. If you had followed my advice you _COULD NOT_ be
> > >> receiving the same error message. IIS would no longer be bound to
your
> > >> external interface so would no longer be in conflict with the ISA
> > > listeners.
> > >>
> > >> You're right. The MVP award is not a certification. It is
> recognition
> > > of
> > >> efforts made with no expectation of reward.
> > >>
> > >> Why do we, or at least I, post links rather than explanations?
> > >> Because
> > > I
> > >> don't want to give a man a fish, I want him to learn how to fish.
That
> > >> and
> > >> the fact that if the link exists the problem has been resolved
> previously
> > >> and is probably better explained in a well thought out article than
my
> > > best
> > >> recollection of such.
> > >>
> > >> I will still claim that (my fellow MVP, grrrr, now it's an MVP vs
> MVP
> > >> WAR!!!! :) Chad's answer is wrong. In one foul swoop he advised to
> ignore
> > >> the wizards designed to handle this task in an SBS environment.
> > >>
> > >> BTW. Your 'error' (which it isn't, it is more an informational
> alert)
> > >> would occur on any system (ie. even those big corporate boxes) which
> had
> > > ISA
> > >> listeners and IIS bound to the same interface. It is in no way SBS
> > > specific.
> > >>
> > >> "Jack" <jack30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:%233yRWpmqEHA.1160@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > >> > The fix you reckon works didn't. i still get the same message in
the
> > > event
> > >> > viewer. I am not bothering with sbs2k i am installing 2003 at least
i
> > > can
> > >> > get it to work ok.
> > >> > It is funny how MVP's put down MCSE's when MVP isn't even a
> > > certification.
> > >> > It is really funny you can say we MVP's fix up problems MCSE did,
> you
> > >> > must
> > >> > be mental. Why don't you people go and pay some money and get a
> proper
> > >> > certification against your name? I have noticed all you guys do is
go
> > >> > to
> > >> > the
> > >> > knowledge base or paste a link to the knowledge base, well to pass
an
> > > exam
> > >> > you need to know how to fix and troubleshoot without having to use
> the
> > > ms
> > >> > website.
> > >> > Jack.
> > >> >
> > >> > Jack.
> > >> >
> > >> > "Chad A. Gross [SBS Community Member]"
> > >> > <chad.gross@laytonflower.nospam.com>
> > >> > wrote in message news:eCq3uHJpEHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> LOL . . . Mick, it's so nice to see that your penchant for
> subtlety
> > >> > hasn't
> > >> >> changed . . . ;^)
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Jack - for the record, he is right. The Configure IIS task on the
> To
> > > Do
> > >> >> List will disable socket pooling, and when you run the ICW you
have
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> option to publish your website, which will create the necessary
web
> > >> >> publishing rule within ISA.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Chad A. Gross - SBS MVP
> > >> >> SBS ROCKS!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> www.msmvps.com/cgross
> > >> >> www.gosbs.org
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> SuperGumby [SBS MVP] wrote:
> > >> >> > tickles my fancy that does.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The man who gives the right answer is lambasted while the man
> giving
> > >> >> > the wrong one is thanked.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "Jack" <jack30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> > news:#q9twSHpEHA.896@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> >> Thanks Chad
> > >> >> >> Thats the answer i was after and all i wanted from the start.
> > >> >> >> I wasn't having a go at dudes that use sbs i was having a go
at
> > >> >> >> microsoft as in all my courses and tests there is no sbs
> questions
> > >> >> >> they don't teach you about how to run sbs server studying mcse.
I
> > >> >> >> realised it was different unlike some people i know that only
use
> > >> >> >> enterprise and have egos thinking they can fix all ms products
I
> > >> >> >> came here so I don't stuff the sbs server up eg: I have never
> used
> > >> >> >> a
> > >> >> >> domain controller that pops mail i am used to mail servers so
> that
> > >> >> >> was an eye opener as exchange enterprise doesn't come with any
> pop
> > >> >> >> connector.
> > >> >> >> But the good thing is now i will know both worlds even though i
> am
> > >> >> >> not used to running so many wizards i will learn them so thanks
> > >> >> >> again.
> > >> >> >> Cheers
> > >> >> >> Jack
> > >> >> >> "Chad A. Gross [SBS Community Member]"
> > >> >> >> <chad.gross@laytonflower.nospam.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> >> news:ugxRLqDpEHA.648@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> >>> Jack -
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> It sounds like you're trying to bind an IIS website to port
443
> on
> > >> >> >>> your external interface. This isn't going to happen because
the
> > >> >> >>> ISA web listeners are bound to 80 & 443 on your external
> > >> >> >>> interface.
> > >> >> >>> What you want to do is create a web publishing rule in ISA.
> Open
> > >> >> >>> ISA Management, expand Servers & Arrays | <servername> |
> > >> >> >>> Publishing
> > >> >> >>> | Web Publing Rules.
> > >> >> > Click
> > >> >> >>> Action | New | Rule. Follow the wizard to create a new web
> > >> >> >>> publishing rule to publish your web site.
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> The reason you want to do it this way (instead of directly
> binding
> > >> >> >>> the website to the external interface) is to take advantage of
> the
> > >> >> >>> application-level filtering that ISA gives you.
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> As for the wizards, they're there so we can easily & quickly
fix
> > >> >> >>> an
> > >> >> >>> SBS and get it to a recommended configuration after an
> Enterprise
> > >> >> >>> MCSE screws it up . . . ;^) That is nothing against you
> > >> >> >>> personally - most smallbiz IT consultants would have a hard
time
> > >> >> >>> adjusting to an enterprise deployment. The big difference is
> that
> > >> >> >>> we know we'd have to learn new things to fit into that
> > >> >> >>> environment.
> > >> >> >>> All to often, the enterprise level tech assumes that SBS is
just
> > >> >> >>> these 4 products installed on one box. What they overlook is
> that
> > >> >> >>> SBS is much more than the sum of it's parts, and the fact that
> we
> > >> >> >>> have IIS, Exchange & ISA on our one & only DC means that we do
> > >> >> >>> things slightly differently. More often than not, they don't
> > >> >> >>> respect that they may have to learn something to get this box
to
> > >> >> >>> sing. All of us have our own real-world experiences of
cleaning
> > >> >> >>> up
> > >> >> >>> after the enterprise MCSE who tried to set up SBS . . . :^)
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> As for the security - we're all aware that SBS breaks MS' own
> > >> >> >>> rules
> > >> >> >>> regarding ISA - and we'd love to be able to pull that off and
> put
> > >> >> >>> in on a separate server. However, our threat vectors down
here
> > >> >> >>> are
> > >> >> >>> slightly different that the enterprise. Our main threat isn't
> the
> > >> >> >>> fact that our ISA is on our DC - no, our main threat is our
> > >> >> >>> desktops, and poorly written smallbiz apps (QuickBooks) that
> > >> >> >>> require local Administrator rights, etc.
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> Back to the wizards - you do realize that the wizards write
log
> > >> >> >>> files that tell you what they did?
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> --
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> Chad A. Gross - SBS MVP
> > >> >> >>> SBS ROCKS!
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> www.msmvps.com/cgross
> > >> >> >>> www.gosbs.org
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> Jack wrote:
> > >> >> >>>> Mate, just face the fact that you don't know how to fix my
> > >> >> >>>> problem. I don't know by what you mean the hard way? I ran
the
> > >> >> >>>> wizards in the to do list and it didn't fix the problem just
> like
> > >> >> >>>> you recommended. SBS is basicly made for companys who don't
> > >> >> >>>> really have a fulltime administrator and thats why there is
so
> > >> >> >>>> many wizards. You dont get all those wizards in enterprise
> > >> >> >>>> edition
> > >> >> >>>> and that makes a whole lot of difference when
troubleshooting
> a
> > >> >> >>>> problem as you need to know the program not just how to run a
> > >> >> >>>> wizard. How do you know a wizard worked as they don't tell
you
> > >> >> >>>> where wizard makes changes so how can you troubleshoot a
> problem
> > >> >> >>>> if you don't know where the exact changes are made.I would
> rather
> > >> >> >>>> make the changes myself even though it might take a bit
longer
> at
> > >> >> >>>> lease you know what happened step by step if there is a
problem
> > >> >> >>>> down the track so you know where to fix the problem .And how
> can
> > >> >> >>>> you undo wizards. You can't. You just rerun them. dodgy.
> > >> >> >>>> Jack
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
> > >> >> >>>> news:#YN6t43oEHA.3460@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> >>>>> and I feel sorry for people who do things the hard way.
> > >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>> "Jack" <jack2007a@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> >>>>> news:#j996I3oEHA.800@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> >>>>>> Hi, when i said i am new to sbs 2k i mean't new to having
all
> > >> >> >>>>>> apps on the same box. I use windows Advanced server 2003 in
> an
> > >> >> >>>>>> enterprise with a multiple domain structure with seperate
> boxes
> > >> >> >>>>>> for ISA, Exchange etc. I am currently Studying my MCSE 2003
> and
> > >> >> >>>>>> as the books say.....Don't have isa and iss on the same
box.
> MS
> > >> >> >>>>>> recommend having the seperate scenario for security
purposes
> > >> >> >>>>>> even exchange should be seperate. Basicly SBS breaks their
> own
> > >> >> >>>>>> rules. I have also noticed that alot of the services are
not
> > >> >> >>>>>> even being used on sbs, What a waste. I feel sorry for
people
> > >> >> >>>>>> who just use sbs as they don't get to see the full function
> of
> > >> >> >>>>>> Forest wide domain structure and all the services that come
> > >> >> >>>>>> with
> > >> >> >>>>>> it. To answer your question i did use the to do list. The
iis
> > >> >> >>>>>> section in yhe list just runs a wizard which does exactly
the
> > >> >> >>>>>> same thing as i did in the command prompt (Disabled
> > >> >> >>>>>> socketpooling) In sbs 2003 it is easy to do using httpcfg
but
> > >> >> >>>>>> not 2k.
> > >> >> >>>>>> I just need to know how to disablesocketpooling for port
443
> > >> >> >>>>>> rather than just 80 without having to change the port which
> > >> >> >>>>>> will
> > >> >> >>>>>> work. Thanks
> > >> >> >>>>>> Jack.
> > >> >> >>>>>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
> > >> >> >>>>>> news:u8thTa8nEHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> >>>>>>> It says nothing of the sort, there is an inference that
> socket
> > >> >> >>>>>>> pooling has been disabled, if you stretch your imagination
a
> > >> >> >>>>>>> long way, all you really present is a single line of
netstat
> > >> >> >>>>>>> output. But hey, what's the big deal.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>> More important than any measure you may have manually
taken
> > >> >> >>>>>>> I'm
> > >> >> >>>>>>> interested to find out whether you have completed (at
least)
> > > the
> > >> >> >>>>>>> to-do list items I refer to and hopefully the full to-do
> list.
> > > I
> > >> >> >>>>>>> don't want to know if you have manually performed the
> > >> >> >>>>>>> functions
> > >> >> >>>>>>> you believe are accomplished by the to-do list items, I
> wanna
> > >> >> >>>>>>> know if you have completed the to-do list. Main reason
being
> > >> >> >>>>>>> that someone who had completed the to-do list would not
> > > normally
> > >> >> >>>>>>> experience the problem you are experiencing.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>> Why do you wish to move the 'exchange virtual servers'?
what
> > >> >> >>>>>>> do
> > >> >> >>>>>>> you believe you will accomplish by doing this? As the
system
> > >> >> >>>>>>> is
> > >> >> >>>>>>> SBS no component of the SBS applications can be moved to
> > > another
> > >> >> >>>>>>> box, but, for example, you could easily set up an SMTP
> service
> > >> >> >>>>>>> on another box, it would just need to be an SMTP service
(or
> > >> >> >>>>>>> virtual server) which IS NOT part of SBS Exchange. eg. GFI
> ME
> > >> >> >>>>>>> can be set up as an SMTP filter on a front end which feeds
> SBS
> > >> >> >>>>>>> exchange, I'm not suggesting this is recommended let alone
> > >> >> >>>>>>> advised but it is a possibility.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>> "Jack" <jack2007a@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> >>>>>>> news:ulJk936nEHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> >>>>>>>> I disabled socketpooling If you read my first article
> > >> >> >>>>>>>> properly
> > >> >> >>>>>>>> it says that. I have done what i should but sbs2k is
> useless.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>> I will move the web pages to another server and if i do
> that
> > >> >> >>>>>>>> is it possible to move the exchange virtual servers to a
> > >> >> >>>>>>>> member server on my network?
> > >> >> >>>>>>>> cheers
> > >> >> >>>>>>>> Jack.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
> > >> >> >>>>>>>> news:#20YGAsnEHA.2140@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> go through the to-do list. 'Configure IIS' (will disable
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> socket pooling and bind the IIS listeners to the
internal
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> only) and 'Connect to the Internet'.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> --
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> Mick Malloy
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.micropol.com.au
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> "jack" <jack2007a@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> news:edIEBwrnEHA.2388@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> There is 2 nics and here is My ipconfig:
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Windows 2000 IP Configuration
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : server
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . : domain name
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : domain name
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Ethernet adapter local:
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : HP NC7760 Gigabit
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Server
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : mac address
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.2
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.2
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.2
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Ethernet adapter external:
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : HP NC3123 Fast
> Ethernet
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> NIC Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : mac address
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.4.9
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.4.11
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.2
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in
message
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> news:erix$zqnEHA.3876@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> looks like a single NIC SBS? correct?
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> please give us the output of 'ipconfig /all >
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> c:\ipconfig.txt' from the server.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mick Malloy
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.micropol.com.au
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Jack" <jack2007a@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> news:OLR6ksqnEHA.1304@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am new to sbs and i need some help with publishing
0n
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> isa. I keep gettig the error below in the event
viewer:
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Web Proxy service failed to bind its socket to
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> 192.168.4.9
> > >> >> >>>> port
> > >> >> >>>>>>> 443.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> This
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> could be caused by another service that is already
> using
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >> >> >>>>> same
> > >> >> >>>>>>>> port
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> by
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a network interface card that is not functional. The
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> error
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> code specified in
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the Data area of the event properties indicates the
> cause
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> of the failure. For more information about this
event,
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> see
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> ISA Server Help.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I looked on the web for help and did a netstat -an
and
> > > this
> > >> >> >>>> is
> > >> >> >>>>>> what
> > >> >> >>>>>>> i
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> get:
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> TCP 192.168.4.9:443 0.0.0.0:0 LISTENING.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> How do i stop this error. I found an article to
disable
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> socketpooling on
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> sbs if isa and iss are on the same box but it didn't
> seem
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > >> >> >>>> do
> > >> >> >>>>>> any
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> good.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any help would be much appreciated.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jack.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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