Re: Backing up to hard disk - how large?
From: Henry Craven (IUnknown_at_Dot.Nyet)
Date: 09/29/04
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:29:00 +1000
Exchange includes a settable retention period for deleted e'Mail (
default 30 days )
so e'mail can be recovered by the user via Outlook.
It's worthwhile going to the Server sites at microsoft.com and reading
up on the features of the products if your in the industry or dealing
with it.
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
"Pat" <pat@reemoovethismp-m.com> wrote in message
news:eqZayrdpEHA.3364@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Wow. That's impressive. Does that include deleted email as well?
>
> Thanks for the info Kevin. I appreciate it.
>
> Pat
>
>
> "Kevin Weilbacher" <kweilbacMVP@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:%23ULAwRYpEHA.1160@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > As far as backups to recover a particular file, keep in mind that
SBS2003
> > implements Volume Shadow Copu Services which essentially does this
for you
> > real time. If someone accidentally deletes a file from the server
drive,
> you
> > can go thru VSS and restore a previous copy of that file - without
using
> any
> > tape or disk backup!
> >
> > --
> > Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]
> > "The days pass by so quickly now, the nights are seldom long"
> >
> >
> >
> > "Pat" <pat@reemoovethismp-m.com> wrote in message
> > news:uVEt6yVpEHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > Thanks Bill for the extensive feedback.
> > >
> > > What I had in mind was just using the backup utilities that come
with
> SBS
> > to
> > > mainly back up Exchange and Data. I plan to upgrade to SBS03
soon, and
> I
> > > believe SBS03 has resolved much of the LFN vs SFN issues and
improved
> the
> > > ease of restorations. (At least, I thought I read that somewhere).
> > >
> > > Our main need is a means to recover critical data in case of
catastropic
> > > failure (i.e. both the RAID1 drives to become corrupted or damaged
for
> > some
> > > reason). If it takes a day to restore, that would not be the end
of the
> > > world in our case. So I was really just looking for the simplest
and
> > lowest
> > > maintenance approach. Also, if space permits, I was thinking
keeping
> > > several backups from successives days in case someone needs to
recover a
> > > deleted file or email, or one of the backups gets corrupted.
> > >
> > > Thanks again for the help, and any other advice/suggestions are
very
> much
> > > welcomed.
> > >
> > > Pat
> > >
> > > (Sorry for the delay in responding and hope you see this).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Bill Swan" <bill@nospamfirstresponseit.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:ePL3AxOnEHA.3396@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > Hi Pat sorry not replying sooner as been away.
> > > >
> > > > Firstly though, apologies for Henry and SG prior comments. Henry
> states
> > a
> > > > good question and SG talking to him he forgot to offer any
> suggestions,
> > > > Henry was probably waiting for your response...LOL
> > > >
> > > > Anyhow, backing upto another hard drive poses many questions.
> > > >
> > > > Using backup software to disk will create a large backup file so
needs
> > the
> > > > new server reinstalled to have the backup software to access the
data.
> > > What
> > > > you have mentioned so far another 120 gb would be fine.
> > > >
> > > > To have a quicker recovery option you would want to consider '
> > replication
> > > '
> > > > software. This option would hopefully make a complete duplicate
of
> your
> > > > original hard drive. To use this hard drive though would require
an
> > almost
> > > > if not identical server hardware wise. Same motherboard, raid
card,
> > video
> > > > card, nics etc. Some items you could get away with , nics and
video
> > cards
> > > > but some tweaking maybe required when the server came backup,
> definately
> > > > with the nics. This new server must also have any cards in the
correct
> > > slots
> > > > as the original. This option hopefully is just a matter of
removing
> hard
> > > > drive from pc and putting in server that was standing idle
somewhere.
> > > >
> > > > Either option will put a load on the network and time taken over
a
> > network
> > > > is very long. With regards to the replication software,
searching
> google
> > > > there are many DATA replication programs and you must ensure it
caters
> > for
> > > > operating system and exchange. In addition it can't be done in '
> > parallel
> > > '
> > > > environment i.e server running live on the network because you
cannot
> > have
> > > 2
> > > > small business servers running together on the same network.
> > > >
> > > > Backing up a ' full ' sbs system has its problems. Just search
this NG
> > in
> > > > google for LFN and SFN...long and short file names. There has
been
> much
> > > > discussion on this topic. Me personally I have found it quicker
to
> > backup
> > > > just exchange and data. Compared to restoring a full server and
just
> > > > exchange and data the latter was always quicker and less
problems. Be
> > > aware
> > > > though there are certain steps restoring from your backup,
domain and
> > > > exchange names must be the same on a new installation.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry if this has given you a headache and prompted more
questions,
> > don't
> > > > hesitate to ask.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > www.smallbizserver.net (2000 and 2003)
> > > >
> > > > microsoft.public.backoffice.smallbiz2000 (2000 NG)
> > > >
> > > > microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs (2003 NG)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&group=microsoft.public.backoffice.smallbiz2000
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&group=microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
> > > >
> > > > http://www.sbslinks.com/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Pat" <pat@reemoovethismp-m.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:epVFhSZmEHA.2180@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Ya, it's always a judgement call as to which contingencies to
plan
> > for.
> > > > >
> > > > > In my location I think the most likely catastropies are a
lightening
> > > > > strike,
> > > > > RAID card failure, or possibly some virsus (or hacker)
infiltration,
> > > > > although I have systems in place to minimize the chances of
these (
> > UPS
> > > > > with
> > > > > surge suppression, A/V software, ISA). I'm willing to put
myself at
> > the
> > > > > mercy of God for the rest (and try to live a good life!, :^).
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks, -Pat
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Henry Craven" <IUnknown@Dot.Nyet> wrote in message
> > > > > news:OJPfihUmEHA.2588@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > >> How does:
> > > > >> " Building burnt down and no offsite backup "
> > > > >> rate on the "Catastrophic Failure" Scale ?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ...Or
> > > > >> "vandals broke in and Stole/Trashed the computers" ?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
> > > > >> Melbourne Australia
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "Pat" <pat@reemoovethismp-m.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:uLL$wsSmEHA.3896@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > > > >> > Hi Bill,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thanks for the response. The plan is to installed a new
hard
> disk
> > in
> > > > >> one of
> > > > >> > our workstations and back up the server to it over the
network.
> > > This
> > > > >> is
> > > > >> > for a very small business though, (4 employess) and there
really
> > > isn't
> > > > >> a
> > > > >> > whole lot of data. The current disk setup uses a pair of
120GB
> ide
> > > > >> drives
> > > > >> > in a RAID1 (mirror) arrangement, and there are three
partitions
> > (10GB
> > > > >> "C:"
> > > > >> > for the OS, 15GB "D" for the Exhange, and the remaining
"S:" for
> > > > >> data).
> > > > >> > Currently only 35GB is being used in total.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The main intent for the backup is to enable us to restore
the
> > system
> > > > >> in case
> > > > >> > of catastrophic failure. A 120GB drive seems like it
should be
> > > > >> sufficient
> > > > >> > for this (it's the largest our workstations will handle
without a
> > new
> > > > >> > controller), but I wanted to run this past the newsgroup in
case
> > > there
> > > > >> was
> > > > >> > other aspects to this that would dictate something larger.
What
> do
> > > > >> you
> > > > >> > think?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thanks again for the help.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Pat
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > "Bill Swan" <bill@nospamfirstresponseit.co.uk> wrote in
message
> > > > >> > news:OK8Gi%23PmEHA.3428@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > > > >> > > Hi Pat
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > I would ask why ? Is this a removable hard drive ?
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > At a minimum it would need to be the same size. Are you
wanting
> > to
> > > > >> backup
> > > > >> > > all of it ?
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > You must backup any way to clear the exchange logs
otherwise
> this
> > > > >> will
> > > > >> > fill
> > > > >> > > up the drive the logs are on. ( I usually split my hard
drive
> for
> > > > >> the OS,
> > > > >> > > Exchange and then Data.)
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Also you may want to bak up the exchange store and
individual
> > > > >> mailboxes so
> > > > >> > > as this is being backed up twice you would need a bigger
hard
> > drive
> > > > >> than
> > > > >> > > currrent.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > What redundancy do you have at the moment ? Mirroring,
Raid 5,
> > > > >> backup to
> > > > >> > > tape ?
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Hope it gives you some ideas.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Bill
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > "Pat" <pat@reemoovethismp-m.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> > > news:Oui1RQPmEHA.2880@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > > > >> > > > Hi all,
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > I would like to backup my SBS server to a fixed hard
disk.
> How
> > > do
> > > > >> I
> > > > >> > > > estimate how much capacity I need for this (i.e how
large a
> > hard
> > > > >> disk)?
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Thanks for any advice.
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