Re: Should I go with SBS?
From: Mike Webb (Mike_Webb_at_WhoopingCrane.org)
Date: 06/08/04
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:40:30 -0500
I, too, think $17K is expensive. The info I provided in my previous post is
all I have. I was given a briefing on everything during the proposal
presentation. The company told me they are expensive, but they have an
outstanding reputation for service, products, and follow-through. They also
will set EVERYTHING up for me. Since I need a grant to pay anyway, I'm
kinda leaning toward accepting it. However, my mind is open. My chief
concerns are scalability, security, and a system that can meet our projected
needs for at LEAST 5 years.
Mike
"Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@REMOVE.THIS.engineer.com> wrote in
message news:%23c61VAaTEHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> If you want video conference and/or uploading big files... satellite is
not
> for you. The connection to the local university looks promising (you might
> want to look at Motorola's canopy wireless technology... but it should be
in
> the same price range).
>
> I think $17k for that... is expensive (IMO). If you give us the breakdown
we
> might be able to identify the problem items here. Also, you might be
> over-specifying the server for a 10-person office.
>
> --
> Javier [SBS MVP]
>
> << SBS ROCKS!!! >>
>
> "Mike Webb" <Mike_Webb@WhoopingCrane.org> wrote in message
> news:ex6b1sZTEHA.3988@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >I appreciate your comments. I looked into satellite access and it's only
a
> > little better for our needs than the dial-up is. We need broadband to
> > access large files and to upload them, on-line conferencing, etc.
> >
> > For $17K I get:
> > Dell PowerEdge 2600 3.06GHZ Xeon server with 3 73GB HD's, 1 GB RAM, and
> > redundant power.
> > SBS 2003 Premium (NPO price)
> > SBS 2003 CAL's (10) at NPO price
> > APC Smart UPS 1500 and accessories
> > APC ProtechNet for Server NIC's
> > US Robotics Courier 56K Business Modem w/v92 (for access by mobile
phone)
> > Sony 50/130 GB AIT-2 Tape drive and 10 tapes
> > ADAPTEC SCSI adapter for tape drive
> > VERITAS Backup Exec 9.1 SBS Premium edition
> > WinXP Pro upgrades (for 2 Home ed's in the office) (at NPO price)
> > labor for setup
> > 2 Dell white-boxes with flat-screens and peripherals (to replace 2
PIII's
> > in
> > the office)
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@REMOVE.THIS.engineer.com> wrote
in
> > message news:uUp$pnZTEHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> Hi Mike!
> >>
> >> Well, the good news is that since you are a NFP org then you can get
most
> >> (if not all) the software for very low prices (mostly neglible compared
> > with
> >> hardware costs). Now, what kind of bandwidth you need? I'm not a fan of
> >> satellite broadband... but I think for their price they are very
> > reasonable
> >> (in those remote areas). What are you planning to do with the
connection?
> >> The real problem with satellite is latency... I have seen people here
> > saying
> >> that even get VPN to work (TS is the one I would think that might be
more
> >> critical).
> >>
> >> I would go with a decent server (Dell is fine by me) and tape backup
> >> (external HD might be an option too). For workstations I would go with
> >> whiteboxes... you can probably get very good and cheap ones. While is
> >> nice
> >> that all computers are exactly the same... this is not necessary and if
> > you
> >> are in a budget (or need to get money is easier to get $ than $$$$$
IMHO
> > of
> >> course).
> >>
> >> BTW-> Can you say again what exactly you would get for the $17k?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Javier [SBS MVP]
> >>
> >> << SBS ROCKS!!! >>
> >>
> >> "Mike Webb" <Mike_Webb@WhoopingCrane.org> wrote in message
> >> news:OZy96ZZTEHA.3660@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> > [I am looking at SBS 2003, but can't find a newsgroup to ask this
on.]
> >> >
> >> > Background: We are a non-profit organization engaged in researching
> >> > Whooping
> >> > Cranes, and other endangered species, and the preservation of their
> >> > habitat
> >> > along the Platte River in Nebraska. Our staff is mostly academians
> >> > who
> >> > spend a LOT of time in research and writing papers.
> >> >
> >> > We are a small (<10 employees) org. on a P2P WinXP network over a
> > shared,
> >> > dual 56K dial-up internet & email connection to the ISP. We are 'way
> > out
> >> > in
> >> > the boonies of Nebraska (meaning we can't get DSL or better at
> > <$1200/mo.
> >> > due to the cost and number of companies involved to connect together,
> > and
> >> > we
> >> > are also outside of the service areas of all Wireless ISP's). I have
> > some
> >> > ideas I'd like to bounce off the readers of this post.
> >> > *I am working with a local university to tie into their WAN via
> >> > wireless means. It can be done, but will cost >$15,000 for the
> > equipment
> >> > to
> >> > the nearest WAN drop. Satellite doens't have the bandwidth we need,
so
> >> > this
> >> > is the only viable means I can find. I am pursuing tech grants, and
> > have
> >> > some ideas. I'd appreciate any from this group, too.
> >> >
> >> > *I am working with a local tech consulting company on a solution
> > that
> >> > would allow for better collaboration, security, etc. - particularly
> >> > once
> >> > we
> >> > have the bandwidth via the wireless WAN. They recommend Small
Business
> >> > Server Premium Edition 2003 on a Dell Poweredge Server, Veritas
backup
> >> > solution, buying 2 Dell boxes so we are all using Pentium 4's, etc.
> > Cost
> >> > is
> >> > ~$17,000. (Steep!) But ... it gives us a common platform throughout
> >> > the
> >> > building, is very scalable for future needs, easily maintainable,
etc.
> >> > The
> >> > alternative ... I buy cheapo boxes that give us all P4's, buy a
decent
> > P4
> >> > and make it a server and use a DVD-burner for backups. The company
> > would
> >> > help me figure out a cheap means to do this. My dilemma ... Whatever
> > the
> >> > final cost - I have to find funding via grants as there's none in our
> >> > budget
> >> > for something on this scale.
> >> > So .... if I'm gonna have to find outside funding anyway, the tech
> > inside
> >> > me
> >> > says to buy the best now to avoid problems later.
> >> >
> >> > I'd very much appreciate the comments of this group.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Mike Webb
> >> > Platte River Whooping Crane Maintenance Trust, Inc.
> >> > a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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