Re: reaching the 50 user barrier on SBS 2000
From: Javier Gomez [SBS MVP] (javier_gomez_at_remove.this.engineer.com)
Date: 04/27/04
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:43:27 -0400
I would normally agree... but not in this case. Let's put it this way->
Upgrading to SBS2003 for 50 users would cost you (retail pricing):
1 - SBS VUP $599
45 - VUP CALs $194 (5-pack)
Total = $2345
The migration pack alone costs more than that + you need to get migration
CALs (which don't include SQL CALs). Now, consider that obtaining the
migration pack (if you are even able to get it for SBS2k) will only give you
2000 versions (not 2003). I think this way you can defer the cost of the
migration pack for 2 yrs (many things can happen in 2yrs!) and then you
finally decide to put the Transition pack you will get the 2003 versions.
Applying the transtion pack is not something that would require reinstalling
the whole server.
That's my point of view... of course that many other considerations, such as
replacement of the servers in that period that I didn't take into account.
I'm sure this issue is highly debatable.
-- Javier [SBS MVP] << SBS ROCKS !!! >> "Jeff L" <newsgroupsremoveandunderscore_jeff@availabletech.net> wrote in message news:%23eTv4AILEHA.3300@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > To Javier: Really, I would think that the upgrade would be based on new > functionality requirements rather than needing more users. Doubly so if > you > upgrade to SBS2003 only to exceed the limits there in less than two years. > > To Brad: It always comes down to money but if your org is growing that > fast > it is not because the company doesn't have a need to be productive. > Perhaps > your IT budget should be growing making the people you have more > productive. > Spending 100 K on IT is much cheaper than adding 25 users. If I could save > one user the ROI would be less than 3 years (Figuring they make more than > 30 > K). And that is just based on the cost for that users salary. When you > look > at from the perspective of training, HR hiring costs, advertising... Well > you could double the IT spending. > > > > "Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" <javier_gomez@remove.this.engineer.com> wrote in > message news:OGwyzQHLEHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >> IMHO-> If you think that you will blow out the 75 user limit in couple of >> years (>1-2yrs)... I would upgrade to SBS2003. >> >> -- >> Javier [SBS MVP] >> >> << SBS ROCKS !!! >> >> >> "Brad Pears" <donotreply@notreal.com> wrote in message >> news:%23pIvGMHLEHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >> > Jeff, we have a SBS 2000 server (DELL SC 1600) and a WIndows 2000 >> > member >> > server (DELL SC600). >> > >> > The SC600 is basically the file server and terminal server. Our SBS >> > machine - other than being the PDC, does really nothing other than run >> > Exchange and other stuff a PDC must do... >> > >> > I have been quite pleased by the performance overall. I was talking to >> > Microsoft about the 'transaition' pack. However, he did mention that it >> > doesn;t look like that product may even be available anymore for 2000 > SBS >> > (they called it the 'migration' pack then. >> > >> > I understand, if I can find it, that we'd purchase the server migration >> > pack >> > that comes with 5 CALS, and then purchase other CAL migration packs. >> > >> > Does this sound about right? >> > >> > It definately is an option. We are also looking at upgrading our SBS > 2000 >> > box to SBS 2003 which gives you 75 users - but we'll likely blow by >> > that >> > in >> > a couple years too - so we have to try to make a decision about the > route >> > to >> > take. The problem will no doubt boil down to cash!!! >> > >> > Brad >> > >> > "Jeff L" <newsgroupsremoveandunderscore_jeff@availabletech.net> wrote >> > in >> > message news:uE29dqGLEHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >> >> Brad, >> >> >> >> You are not blocked from doing it but you will not get the > functionality >> >> without quirks and inconsistencies. Licensing errors will popup and >> >> you >> > will >> >> be violating your EULA. Actually tranisitioning to individual servers > is >> > not >> >> really expensive. You have to buy a transition pack and pay a minimal >> >> upgrade fee for users. You are not penalized for having choosen SBS. >> >> If >> > you >> >> would like help doing this please send me a personal email. >> >> >> >> I am very interested in the performance of your server. How has it >> >> been >> >> working for you as you appproach the 50 user barrier? >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Jeff Loucks >> >> Available Technology ® >> >> Solutions For Professionals ® >> >> www.availabletechnology.com >> >> >> >> >> >> "Brad Pears" <donotreply@notreal.com> wrote in message >> >> news:#lfgPMGLEHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >> >> > We currently are running SBS 2000. Ourt business has grown >> >> > substantially >> >> > over the past year and we are approaching the 50 user limit on SBS. >> >> Because >> >> > of this, we are looking at upgrading to SBS 2003 (75 users) OR full >> > blown >> >> > win 2003 server with Exchagne SQL server ISA etc... (very very >> >> > pricy!!!) >> >> > >> >> > This morning as a test, I added 10 more 'test' users - which would > put >> > us >> >> > beyond the 50 user limit just to see what would happen. I created >> > Exchange >> >> > mailboxes for each. I expected SBS to prevent me from adding the >> >> > 51st >> >> user, >> >> > but was pleasantly surprised when this was not the case. >> >> > >> >> > Where is the limit? Does it prevent 51 concurrent users only - > meaning >> >> > I >> >> > could have 100 users in the AD but as long as only 50 are logged on > at >> >> once >> >> > I'm ok? If this is the case, then we are ok because we will not have >> >> > all >> >> 50 >> >> > users on at once. >> >> > >> >> > Please let me know where the SBS limitations are. Maybe we do not > have >> > to >> >> > upgrade to 2003 SBS just yet... >> >> > >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > >> >> > Brad >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >
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