Re: Please suggest relationships model

Steve,

It is obvious you are the one that is on the same track as you STILL don't
see my point. No point in contiuing this as you are going to continue to
abuse these newsgroups. There's an old saying "Trying to change someone is
as useless as trying to teach a pig to dance. It is a waste of time, and it
really pisses the pig off."

I'm done trying...
--
Gina Whipp

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
II
"Steve" <Sorry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Do you approach your customers in the same one-track view you have looked
at my response in this thread? You saw I made a response and immediately
convinced yourself to take the Arno R, John Marshall, Keith Wilby narrow
minded view. You denied yourself critical, need to know, information!

Take a look at the OP's original post. Quote: "Can someone suggest an
efficient relationships model to make this work?" Now look at my response.
Here it is in its entirety:

I have assumed that your inventory items are consumable and periodically
you
purchase items to replenish your inventory.

TblJob
JobID
JobNumber
JobDescription
<<Job Address fields>>

TblItem
ItemID
ItemDesc
QuantityOnHand

TblItemToJob
ItemToJobID
JobID
ItemToJobDate

TblJobItem
JobItemID
ItemToJobID
ItemID
Quantity
JobItemAssignedCost

TblItemVendor
ItemVendorID
VendorName
<<Vendor contact fields>>

TblVendorItem
VendorItemID
ItemVendorID
ItemID
ItemCost

TblItemPurchase
ItemPurchaseID
ItemVendorID
PurchaseDate
PurchaseOrderNumber

TblItemPurchaseDetail
ItemPurchaseDetailID
ItemPurchaseID
ItemID
Quantity
UnitCost

If you need help, I can help you for a very reasonable fee. Contact me at
my
email address below.

PC Data***
Providing Customers A Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word
Applications
resource@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Now look at what I provided the OP. He asked for a "suggest an efficient
relationships model" and I gave him my suggestion. It was only after this
that I offered fee-paid help for a very reasonable fee if he needed
further help. The OP had a set of tables to work with just as he asked and
if he felt he could take it from that point he was free to start working
on his database. However, if he wanted his database quick and painless, I
provided him a resource to go to get that. That was additional help
provided to the OP whereby he could avail himself of that help if he so
decided. That's called value added in business jargon. That's the same as
telling an OP to go out and buy Ken Getz's Developer's Handbook if he
wants to do something covered in that book. You frequently see that
recommendation in the newsgroups.

The path to success lies in looking at the forest and not a single tree.

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"Gina Whipp" <NotInterested@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Steve,

If the business owner came here seeking advice then that's what he should
get FREE advice. If the business owner wants to hire a professional the
that's what he should he should get. What the business owner should not
get is services he didn't ASK for. You offer your services BEFORE anyone
even ASKS for it, do you ot understand the difference? That is the ONLY
point I am trying to make.

Here you are in the newsgroup offering services that were NOT ASKED for.
I am glad you are so successful but honestly I have to wonder why you
then risk it all to 'troll' in newsgroups? Your reputation is all you
have and what would your customers think if they knew you were in
newsgroups 'fishing' for customers, knowing this is NOT the place for
such actions?

I got to be a consultant in the same way you did. And here is where I am
now -- I work from home and have not had a 9-5 job in almost fifteen
years. I have three full time developers working for me. I have done
thousands of small jobs for customers just like the people who post in
the newsgroups and a few larger jobs.

Okay, then how would you feel if someone suggested you couldn't do it and
did it for you? Where would you be today, at your 9 to 5 job. I have
not done thousands of jobs, nor is that my goal because I don't do small
jobs anymore, I pass them on to others. (As a matter of fact, I'm TRYING
to take August off.) And when work runs out I will look for more but NOT
in the FREE newsgroups.

My mission has always been to provide customers a resource for help with
Access, Excel and Word applications. My fees have always been very
reasonable.

I find it interesting that you feel the need to keep repeating how
reasonable your fees are, which is to me would indicate they are not. It
sounds like a car salesman telling me how reasonalble he's being in on my
trade in with his fingers crossed behind his back!

I strive to work together with customers and I strive to make the
customer feel well-satisfied working with me. It has been very
successful for me. After all these years, I still am learning and I
recognize that the learning will never stop. After all these years, I am
the first to admit I make mistakes. However, I always make my best
effort to correct my mistakes.

As I said before, your reputation is all you have and right now if I were
a customer and looked you up in the newsgroup, I'm looking for someone
else. If it is true that you try to correct your mistakes then STOP
'trolling', you can see it's wrong, at the very least WAIT till they ask
for help. It's kind of like the phone solictors always calling asking
don't you want to refiance? Well, IF I ever thought about it, I would
NEVER call any of the ones that harassed me by calling me.

--
Gina Whipp

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" -
Tremors II
"Steve" <Sorry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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And where do you think a business owner would be if he spent five years
trying to create databases for his company rather than hiring some one
to create databases for him and he managing his business? For that
matter, where do you think a company would be if key employees spent
five years trying to create databases for their company rather than
asking their manager to hire someone to create databases for him?

I got to be a consultant in the same way you did. And here is where I am
now -- I work from home and have not had a 9-5 job in almost fifteen
years. I have three full time developers working for me. I have done
thousands of small jobs for customers just like the people who post in
the newsgroups and a few larger jobs. My mission has always been to
provide customers a resource for help with Access, Excel and Word
applications. My fees have always been very reasonable. I strive to work
together with customers and I strive to make the customer feel
well-satisfied working with me. It has been very successful for me.
After all these years, I still am learning and I recognize that the
learning will never stop. After all these years, I am the first to admit
I make mistakes. However, I always make my best effort to correct my
mistakes.

PC Data***
Providing Customers A Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word
Applications
resource@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx





"Gina Whipp" <NotInterested@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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To answer your question...

If he wants to do it himself which I am gathering because here he is in
a FREE newsgroup then I, along with folks much more qualified, assist
him. I will NOT 'push' my services on him.

However, if is asking for paid help, I will direct him to the MANY
sites where he could look for a professional in his area, as well as,
check their references, perhaps even have them come in and show samples
of their work. I WILL NOT EVER suggest myself. If he happens to find
my name on one of those MANY sites where you post your services, then I
would mention I saw him in a newsgroup. But I am NOT here to 'fish'
for business and I am certainly NOT gong to suggest hiring a
professional prior to him/her even asking for one.

I was a beginner once and this is where I came to learn and I still
come for tips. I would have been insulted if someone suggested I was
incapable of doing this myself. Look at me now, I contract for several
companies. Where would I be if I had not dared to try? If these groups
weren't here? If I hired a prefessional? Now I work from home, I have
not had a 9-5 job in 5 years and NEVER ONCE did I go trolling!

--
Gina Whipp

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" -
Tremors II
"Steve" <Sorry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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O.K., let's put it in other words ---

If you saw a post by a business owner where it is obvious he has only
dabbled in Access and he says he desparately needs a way to track his
inventory, would you advise him to spend time trying to create
an inventory database and go to the newsgroups, books and other
resources when he needs help or would you advise him to hire someone
to create an inventory database for him and spend his time managing
his business?

Steve




"Gina Whipp" <NotInterested@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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If he came to me (your words) then he got my name from someone and
contacted me directly, NOT via a newsgroup, therefore I can do
business with him. However, these people aren't 'coming to you'...
you are going to them.

--
Gina Whipp

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" -
Tremors II

"Steve" <Sorry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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You miised the whole point!

If a business owner who has only dabbled in Access came to you
wanting a way to track his inventory, would you advise him to spend
time trying to create an inventory database and go to the
newsgroups, books and other resources when he needs help or would
you advise him to hire someone to create an inventory database for
him and spend his time managing his business?

Steve



"Gina Whipp" <NotInterested@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Steve,

If this is a reply to my eMail then please don't try to explain
your soliciting to me. It is wrong in a FREE peer-to-peer
newsgroup. I 'write' databases and have been doing so for 10
years. Right now, I am doing 6 contracts and am looking for help
but it would never even occur to me to advertise for help here!
And NEVER, let me me repeat that, NEVER have I ever tried to
solicit work from this FREE newsgroup or any other FREE newsgroup
unless they supply a section to do just that. I don't show my
eMail address, no links to my site, NADA, NOTHING, ZILCH... well,
you get the idea, because that is not why these groups are here!

I will also note, that I get my work by word-of-mouth and have to
provide my web page... AND even if I ran out of work tomorrow, I
would NEVER solicit here! I come to here to get help and give help
when I can. I come here to learn, share and sometimes get a good
chuckle! I don't come here to post my resume or sell my services.

So please, don't offer your lame reasoning for trying to drum up
business. If contracting is not working for you get another job
until something comes along.

--
Gina Whipp

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" -
Tremors II

"Steve" <Sorry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Do-it-yourself is not always the best decision. In fact, it can be
a very poor decision. Yes, from only the database point of view,
if you create a database and it works for you, do it yourself is
cheapest. From a business perspective, it can be much more
expensive than hiring someone to build the database for you. The
do-it-yourself route requires dedicated time and effort which
means taking the time and effort away from something else. If you
could have spent that time in a more profitable way such as
increasing sales, the database cost you the value of the lost
sales and that could easily be many times the fees you would have
paid someone to create the database for you.

PC Data***
Providing Customers A Resource For Help With Access, Excel And
Word
Applications
resource@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx





"Gina Whipp" <NotInterested@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Moe,

Below is a few links to help you get started... Please note,
this FREE newsgroup provided by Microsoft would NEVER dream of
charging you. Everyone (well almost everyone) VOLUNTEERS their
time to provide FREE support and assistance.

Ms Access Fundamentals: http://www.functionx.com/access/

Samples downloads:
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/TableOfContents3.asp

Code, sample downloads, sample coding (I love this site):
http://www.mvps.org/access/

Data model samples:
http://www.databasedev.co.uk/data_models.html

--
Gina Whipp

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know,
information!" - Tremors II

"Moe" <henriquezmoi@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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What I need to do:

I have some rather expensive inventory items that I need to keep
track of.
These are to be used in several projects (jobs).

I'm trying to design a simple database to help me keep track of
where
everything goes, so I can bill the right job for the right
products.

More Details:
Inventory items have an ID, and description. I need to know how
many of each
item I still have remaining.

Jobs have unique ID numbers (I dont want to use autonumber for
this).

I was thinking maybe I could design something that would sort of
do
transactions.

Assign a transaction ID (Autonumber is ok), A date, a project #
(job#)
and how many of each of the inventory items were transfered on
that date, or
transaction.

I did a little designing, and came up with three tables.

Inventory
|_ ID
|_ Description
|_ Quatntity on hand (??)

Jobs
|_ ID
|_ Address

Transactions
|_ ID (autonumber ok)
|_ Date
|_ Quantity
|_ Description

Can someone suggest an efficient relationships model to make
this work?

Thanks in advance

--
Moe






















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